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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Transmission, Sedan
#824 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [sderico]
Oct 22, 2005 (10:53 am)
I just bought a 2005 Lexus ES 330. It now has 700 miles. The transmission hesitation and rough shifting is driving me crazy. Lexus can only recommend using a high octane gasoline. I would pursue the lemon law here in Massachusetts, but I need four repair invoices, showing the dealer's inability to correct the problem. My problem is that the dealer says that it is normal for the car, and won't attempt any repairs. I'm dissapointed to learn from the forum that it's such a widespread issue.
#825 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [aminklein]
Oct 23, 2005 (9:26 am)
Lexus/Toyota has acknowledged that this is a problem because they have issued a Technical Service Bulletin documenting what needs to be done for the repair. Take your car in, try a different dealer if necessary, and demand that they perform the fix outlined in the TSB. This may or may not fix the problem (there have been mixed results). If it doesn't work, have them do it the multiple times needed to invoke your state lemon law.
#826 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [scoti1]
Oct 23, 2005 (1:57 pm)
You may have unintentionally given some wrong advice Scoti.
Yes, Toyota/Lexus has acknowledged a problem *may* occur by issueing that TSB.
However, a TSB doesn't mean it's a universal problem affecting all of a given make/model.
The intent of a TSB is to advise a fix for a given symptom or condition--if it occurs.
A TSB does not indicate a "Problem" is designed into a given make/model, and it certainly doesn't mean that everyone who owns a given make or model can expect the condition to occur.
You also suggest a Lemon Law litigation after 4 visits to the dealer--right from the git go. Guns blazing isn't always the right approach.
Given that a fix is available if a problem occurs, plus--given this is the way DBW trannys feel not only on Toyota products but common to others as well--advising Lemon Law option straight away is premature.
I think the right advice would have been just to take it back and get the dealer to try again because switching to high test gasoline didn't get satisfaction. Perhaps try another dealer. Try contacting the manufacturer direct. See if it occurs in another unit of the same make and model.
Fixating on Lemon Law litigation could very easily turn out to be a disaster.
#827 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [pilot130]
Oct 23, 2005 (2:19 pm)
Did you take the time to read the post I was responding to?
#828 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [scoti1]
Oct 23, 2005 (5:19 pm)
Yes I did, and I spoke out because I honestly believe it wasn't good advice by raising the expectation that a Lemon Law route might be the way to go at such an early stage.
You did suggest two, but I believe it may have been wiser and more prudent for you to suggest other alternatives before pulling the trigger on Lemon Law.
This individual is a long way from a "last resort" alternative.
#829 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [pilot130]
Oct 23, 2005 (7:10 pm)
"....such an early stage...." ???
The initial TSB was available in the spring of 2003, was it not?
And does the TSB, in any form whatsoever, indicate a limited application, certain vin#'s, build date, etc?
Anyone wonder what the car rental agencies are doing about this?
#830 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [wwest]
Oct 24, 2005 (3:55 am)
What I meant was "such an early stage...in the development of this individual's problem."
And you're correct in that this TSB isn't limited to a specific time, application, etc.
But any TSB is well short of a recall as you know. Furthermore, any TSB is not in any way indicative of a systemic problem with an entire product line, in spite of inferences to the contrary by some.
All things considered though, I still think it's premature to jump into Lemon Law so quickly.
700 miles, one trip to a dealer, then go direct to Lemon Law? Unwise in my opinion.
#831 of 1407 Re: Transmission problems [pilot130]
Oct 24, 2005 (6:56 am)
It was the individual who brought up Lemon Law as an avenue. You seemed to ignore that and that is why it seemed apparent to me that you did not read his post. I guess you just chose to ignore that portion of it.
#833 of 1407 2006 lexus es330
Oct 31, 2005 (10:47 pm)
I test drove the 2006 es for about 30 minutes and there were no hesitations at all. I then test drove the 2005 es and i could definately feel the hesitation. The 2 cars are night and day different. FWIW i would say buy the 2006 es if you are worried about the hesitation problems.