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Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Transmission, Sedan
#1217 of 1407 2005 ES 330 - horrible transmission
Aug 14, 2006 (4:58 am)
Since I bought the 2005 ES 330 last year, I've had the persistant hesitating and lurching at low speeds. The transmission performance is the worst I've ever experience in any car or truck, and it's constantly "in your face". Both Lexus and my local dealership have given me the same standard answers. Reboot the transmission computer, give the transmission a chance to "self-adjust" and use premium gas. Nothing has corrected the problem. The car has the most recent transmission download. Nothing has helped. I think that this problem is just a fact of life with Lexus. They cannot correct this problem. The car is a great dissapointment and the response from Lexus is a greater disappointment. I've complained numerous times to Lexus, the NHTSA and state AG's office. I have a pending Lemon Law complaint, but don't hold much hope for success. My last hope is to dump the car and take a loss. I'd never deal with this company again.
#1218 of 1407 Re: 2005 ES 330 - horrible transmission [aminklein]
Aug 22, 2006 (7:24 pm)
Sorry to hear about the problem.
Does the transmission problem yu are having with your Lexus sound like the hesitation problem as described in the following article?
Toyota Transmission Hesitation Problem
#1219 of 1407 Re: 2005 ES 330 - horrible transmission [lpeters3]
Aug 23, 2006 (12:52 pm)
Yes. It sounds like the same problem. In fact, I provided a copy of that very 2004 Business Week article as an attachment with my complaint.
#1220 of 1407 ES 350 - transmission problems
Aug 23, 2006 (6:50 pm)
I've read quite a few complaints about the 07 ES trans on another board. Not too suprising considering all of the complaints on Edmunds regarding the 07 Camry transmission problems. Itseems the problem continues even though the transmission was updated.
#1221 of 1407 From 2000 RX300 to 2005 ES 330
Aug 26, 2006 (8:26 pm)
I read these boards with interest some while back. At that time I had a 2000 RX300 that had the same 'hesitation' issue, and well, at about 70,000 miles, the transmission started making these awful 'whining' noises, like it was slipping, and after a while the engine light came on too, so I took it to the dealership. They replaced the transmission FOC as per warranty. 73,000 miles --- The car literally comes to a skidding stop with a big bang, like someone else complained of in one post I read. I managed to crawl home in low gear (luckilly was about 2 miles from home when it happened). Well, I did what others have done, I disconnected the battery and then it worked (or either the action of me putting it in R to get out of my garage fixed it). Well, worked for about 30 miles! Engine light then on again.
So I go back to the dealership (praying I got there without car failing totally) - and talked to the service manager, told him my problem and made VERY clear I was pissed and that I thought Lexus was meant to be reliable and they BETTER sort things for me.
Well, I got them to take that car of my hands, and I got a really good deal on a 2005 ES330 - and only by literally shouting at the sales and service people and telling them I'll report them to every publication I can think of and that Lexus owners expect better service than this. At one point they actually suggested "I leave, I must not like Lexus"....no kidding, at that point I did not. But they did eventually give me a deal, so I'll see how it goes with the ES330.
So far, no hesitation issue, no harsh down shifts, no noticable slipping, it drives beatifully (with the normal very slight delays I've noticed on all drive-by-wire vehicles, not just Lexus). Still I've only had it just over a week now - so we will see!
I will certainly post back if I start getting issues with the new vehicle, and will be checking this board for further updates.
Makes me wonder (I have read many posts on here, but not all, way too many to get through) if it just affects some vehicles, or if it's driving style --- though I have to say, I'm a fairly harsh drive, I do push my vehicles, and this one seems up to the job, at least what I would expect the performance of an ES330. I also drove a 2007 ES350, it didn't seem to suffer the issues either - but didn't want to go new car route, in case I had issues, cause I've lost too much value just getting it off the lot, only to have it break on me!
So Lexus - lets see if you can get a disgruntled customer back to a loyal one, and hope the RX issue was not the norm.
Sorry for the long post everyone! Just thought I'd post my experiences so far.
#1222 of 1407 Hesitation may be related to how fast you press the pedal
Aug 28, 2006 (8:50 pm)
I just got an ES330 which uses the previous generation of transmission and computer. It sometimes hesitates on acceleration but I have never felt in danger because of it.
After careful tests I have determined that on my car there is hesitation only if I gently press the gas pedal. This is fine because it saves gas.
When I stab the pedal, the car takes off briskly.
The hesitation problem for the newest transmission and software combination may also be related to how quickly and how far you press the pedal. The computer can easily determine how fast you are moving the pedal, which makes this different from what we are used to with a non-computerized transmission.
#1223 of 1407 Re: Hesitation may be related to how fast you press the pedal [curt2005]
Aug 28, 2006 (10:12 pm)
I think, actually, the hesitation has more to do with how you release the gas pedal. If you release the pedal quickly, sharply and definitively then the ECU should NOT upshift as a result of "thinking" you wish to enter cruise mode.
On the other hand if you are somewhat hesitent, release the pedal s..l...o...w.....l.......y, the ECU has every reason to believe that you wish to cruise along at the current speed.
I suspect, sincerely, that the delay/hesitation problem "begins" with an upshift or the beginning of an upshift sequence, at which point the driver re-applies pressure, sinificant pressure, to the accelerator pedal. Now it will be clear to the ECU that the transaxle needs to be in a lower gear than the upshift just commanded.
The problem is that the ECU must now wait for the previously commanded upshift to complete before it can "command" a new shift sequence, down to the more appropriate gear ratio for YOUR newly commanded acceleration requirement.
~1 second to complete the upshift and ~1 second to complete the downshift, 1-2 seconds during which time the DBW system keeps the throttle CLOSED to prevent inordinate wear to the transaxle clutches.
When you foresee that an acceleration may be the next activity then release the gas pedal quickly, fully, and definitively. It may even help if you were to use your left foot to apply the brake lightly during this sequence. Braking, along with a quick lift of the pedal should, without any doubt, indicate to the engine/transaxle ECU firmware that your wish is to COAST DOWN to a lower speed.
I'm not by any means saying that this is something we must adapt our driving styles to, but when it comes to driving the vehicles with this "feature" safely, better to be alive and complaining than......
#1224 of 1407 Re: Hesitation may be related to how fast you press the pedal [wwest]
Aug 29, 2006 (11:10 am)
Very good point that the computer would also take into account how fast you let up on the accelerator.
#1225 of 1407 1996 Lexus ES 300 Transmission Problems
Sep 02, 2006 (5:45 pm)
I inherited a 1996 ES 300 with less than 40,000 two years ago. Since then the car has needed a starter, an axle, and a replacement sun roof. The driver's seat leather seam burst open and the cushion stuffing is coming out. The passenger seatbelt had to be replaced. Then, last week the transmission broke on the interstate. Contacted Lexus corporate customer service and it sounded like Lexus might entertain a repair after taking a look at the car. Any similiar experiences with Lexus or this model/year? Thankx.
#1226 of 1407 Re: 1996 Lexus ES 300 Transmission Problems [bluebell2]
Sep 07, 2006 (7:13 am)
I am surprised that Lexus would do anything for you on a 10 year old vehicle! I wouldn't have even thought to contact them. You are very lucky. Granted, the mileage is/was low, but some things just wear with time, regardless of mileage. Congrats.