Last post on Sep 22, 2012 at 9:23 AM
You are in the Lexus ES
What is this discussion about?
Lexus ES 300, Lexus ES 330, Transmission, Sedan
#1007 of 1407 Re: Not sure.... [wwest]
Jan 12, 2006 (11:08 am)
I found some under "vehicle speed control", and this is also where unintended acceleration complaints were filed. There were some people reporting complaints multiple times -- some it was obvious that they complained, had the TSB done with no improvement, then complained again. In my count of 30 on the 2002 Lexus ES 300, I eliminated all those with duplicate VINs, even if the second post was legitimately to tell the NHTSA that the Toyota fix was not working.
Jan 12, 2006 (11:21 am)
I initially thought this was (could be?) a useful forum where people would actually help people solve problems. Instead, it is some sort of sophomoric debate team experience it seems--more interested in expressing opinions and philosophy and arguing and trying to support a particular viewpoint and putting people down instead of sticking with the issue at hand. I've outgrown my college debate team fun times. Have fun guys and gals. Bye. I won't miss you either.
#1009 of 1407 Re: I'm Gone [pwgilbert]
Jan 12, 2006 (11:38 am)
Sorry. The discussion did go off on an tangent shortly after your post. Sorry it didn't go the way you wanted. Didn't you post about a Honda Pilot? Maybe someone in a Honda forum (as opposed to Lexus) can have more to offer...
#1010 of 1407 Re: Lexus ES hesitation [cxc]
Jan 12, 2006 (3:23 pm)
Nice slam on Hyundai who tied Honda last year for second place in overall reliability (JDP) and made the most reliable car avalible in the US for 2005 with the Sonata according to Consumer Reports.
#1011 of 1407 Re: I'm Gone [pwgilbert]
Jan 14, 2006 (8:40 am)
Likw Motownusa says,I don't always think "some people are merely interested in this phenomenon"
Sorry to see you go just because issues like this sometimes get sidetracked. That's just human nature, especially when an issue as controversial as this one is concerned. There is much misinformation being bantied about concerning this issue.
I stuck my nose into it because it began to take on the mass hysteria profile discussions about hesitation sometimes evolve to. A lot of unwarranted, erronious, misquoted, and misleading statements get posted, and then others run them up the flagpole over and over again.
Classic example of what I'm talking about is the issue about NHTSB "supposedly listing" a great many complaints about hesitation. Without any verification of authenticity, this was repeatedly hashed about, and inferences abounded everywhere that it was "evidence" there was a widespread problem.
Turns out most of the complaints there weren't quite legit.
Someone was loading that site with bogus information. I honestly believe that type of intentional abuse sometimes happens here too.
In spite of moving off topic to correct this misinformation, it needed to be said. My apologies.
#1012 of 1407 Re: I'm Gone [hylyner]
Jan 14, 2006 (8:58 am)
Do you own a 2002 - 2006 ES300 or ES330 or have you driven it for a few months?
#1013 of 1407 Re: I'm Gone [cxc]
Jan 14, 2006 (9:35 am)
Apologies if I don't answer that question straight away, but I must first ask why you inquired. Sorry, but I'm just a little gunshy of questions like that.
I have been around Edmunds since last October. First time I posted in Edmunds was in the engine hesitation forum (now closed because of mudslinging). I was immediately and rudely taken to task re why a first time poster even had any business being there. Later on, several more times I was rudely asked why I had reason to be there because I didn't have the problem. This happened to some others also. Putting people down was often a typical treatment for anyone who didn't have the problem and wanted to learn more about it.
I don't want that to happen any more. If that's where you're going with your question, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't go there.
#1014 of 1407 Re: I'm Gone [hylyner]
Jan 14, 2006 (11:33 am)
One correction to what you stated hylyner. The hesitation forum indeed welcomed anyone who had a hesitation problem with their car. It also welcomed most eagerly anyone else, as long as they were willing state, over and over, what a big issue the hesitation is and and occasionally throw stones at Toyota. If however you actually owned one of the cars but did not have a problem, and questioned some of the obviously exaggerated and distorted statements that were sometimes made, they definitely tried to run you out in the rudest of fashions. That's part of what got it shut down.
Personally, I believe that if Edmunds is going to allow people to make claims that are clearly questionable, and statements that are obviously designed to slam the manufacturer, then thoughtful questions and occasional rebuttal need to be allowed as well.
#1015 of 1407 Re: lean engine stumble [wrd]
Jan 14, 2006 (1:04 pm)
RE: paint chipping on ES330.
My paint is chipping on several places on the hood and side of the car. Lexus says that they are rock chips. I do not drive in gravel. I disagree, I believe that there is a paint defect. Has anyone seen this happen before? How do I attack this problem?
Jan 14, 2006 (2:30 pm)
Edmunds certainly isn't going to go "fact-checking" on what you post---this is after all the Internet -- so take everything you read with a grain (or a pound) of salt--- BUT...if it gets into repetitive "brand-bashing" for no constructive purpose we may intervene as this does nothing but tick people off.