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#8715 of 11454 Bluetech CRD.
Feb 19, 2007 (10:54 am)
I read in a Sept. or Oct. article that actual fuel mpg was at best 21 or so on the GC. They have re tuned this V-6 several times and are not too pleased with the mpg or the power. The new and improved version coming out perhaps in Aug. has the urea cat. converter. Now that sounds fun to pay the dealer to put pee in the tank! Where did anyone who is "normal" come up with such an idea? And it took what kind od degree to come up with such a wild idea? Hey, why not try a engine that burns DUNG, like 3rd world countries use for fuel to cook on!
Just my observation, that looking at the schedule that DCX has for engines to go into Jeep vehicles Jeep is going to stay with the "old 3.7 V-6 and the newer 4.0 V-6 for at least until 2010. We have a 06 Liberty with the 3.7 V-6 and its a pig on gasoline. The Wrangler went to a 3.8 V-6 I wonder why they don't put it into the Liberty?
If Jeep and other Jeep products don't change, as well as other vehicles made, we will become a slave to foreign oil, and may even become high dollar fuels like that of the European countries. I think fuel should be priced by the cubic inches a engine and the actual,real world mpg. The most asinine, outrageous idea was to make huge cubic inch engines, like the HEMI and others who make these gas sucking wasting engines, when we need to conserve our fuel, is putting the burden on future generations. To allow those who like to hear the rumble and feel the huge power these engines produce and waste our fuel should pay more per gallon based on HP. Having a vehicle that is just for impressing others, with 500 hp is a corruption of the trust that has been given to us, to care for the earth. I personally feel idea of just having huge powerful engines is a perversion in thinking about energy, and a miscarriage of trust of those who make these "fun to drive Vehicles".
If Americans think $3.00 a gallon is expensive, just wait to see what hydrogen will cost.
#8716 of 11454 Re: Bluetech CRD. [farout]
Feb 19, 2007 (12:58 pm)
Farout, are you afraid of the hydrogen boom?
#8719 of 11454 Re: Bluetech CRD. [caribou1]
Feb 19, 2007 (4:57 pm)
caribou1: Actually hydrogen may well have to become the fuel of the furture (long after I have passed on) I doubt that electric vehicles will move much further unless storage batteries are developed that can endure more charges and have a greater capicity to carry a charge in a smaller container. I worked for JPL at Edwards AFB California from 1981 to 1983 and there were teats onbattery run vehicles, batteries were the overwhemling problem then, and still are. The replacement cost is no small cost to face.
DCX called today (a holiday at that) and said they will buy our CRD back, replace it with a new 2005 or 2006 if they can find one that's unsold. Or if we so choose we can select a DCX product with an allowance, or just buy it back. The exact details will be told to us by a Local rep soon. We are really unsure just what to do. They will fix it but, they would rather replaceit. As to the charge we would owe he said he felt it might be no mileage charge, Wow>>>
#8720 of 11454 Re: Bluetech CRD. [tidester]
Feb 20, 2007 (12:18 am)
There is still one "enormously frightening issue" not developed in this interesting link:
When Hydrogen catches fire at low pressure (due to a leak on a connection), you cannot hear the gas making the typical 'hissing' sound and Hydrogen fire is practically invisible to the human eye. When you look for such a fire, you will detect a blurred vision of the scene that's behind it.
What happens then?
People were severely burnt in the early days of experimentation with Hydrogen. They discovered they had to walk holding a broom in front of them to detect hydrogen fire!
I wondered why a few old experimental halls had brooms and fire extinguishing blankets rolled in stationary vertical dispensers for emergency use: the answer is Hydrogen
Do you really want that?
#8721 of 11454 Re: Bluetech CRD. [caribou1]
Feb 20, 2007 (2:20 am)
That is definitely an issue. I am not sure what the current state of hydrogen fuel development is but people had been experimenting with adsorptive (yes, with a "d") storage. I.e., hydrogen tends to stick to the surface of certain materials (such as platinum).
A granulated or powderlike form of an adsorbing material has a lot of surface area available to store H2. Such a system virtually eliminates the possibility of leakage or explosion. I saw a demo (video) back in the 80's of such a vessel being tested by firing bullets through it. Nothing happened!
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#8722 of 11454 Re: F37 to do or not to do [mrmag00]
Feb 20, 2007 (5:53 am)
Funny, my 05 CRD also had a fried PCM on their first attempt, and I had to wait almost a week for them to get a replacement. The dealer techs told me that this was their first fried PCM out of 5 CRDs, and when they told that to DCX the DCX tech people said they had been very lucky! Since that, it basically works...
BUT, I now have my check engine light on since yesterday. I am guessing EGR valve but I don't know. It drives fine apart from that scary orange light. I also had this light on a few weeks ago but it went off after several trips on the freeway. Guess my CRD is going back to the dealer... AGAIN....
So when is DCX going to buy-back our CRDs so we can buy something less troublesome?
(BTW, I have been on a four month hiatus from this board due to computer issues and a move)
#8723 of 11454 Re: Bluetech CRD. [tidester]
Feb 20, 2007 (6:43 am)
Yes Tidester, Sir:
Your knowledge on current Hydrogen technology is what I understand too. There are bugs to be worked out of the adsorbtive technology- to be sure, but that is the promising track of things.
#8724 of 11454 Re: Bluetech CRD. [tidester]
Feb 20, 2007 (7:43 am)
tidester:Tidester: While working for Civil Service at Edwards AFB Calif. I was employed as a Fire Fighter. I spent a good part of my time at the Rocket Test Sight. There they had Liquid hydrogen kept in very large pressurized tanks. The temp. was kept at 300 degrees minus F. Hydrogen in these tanks had a small tolerance on the + or -side. There had been a explosion years earlier and severely hurt some Fireman, as you can not see it burn, as stated.
Just as the future cars in the mid fifties thought we would have "Jet powered auto's" and as you see, we have lots of them now. I doubt hydrogen will become a fuel for the average driver in the next 20 years. Maybe the E-85 might really become a fuel that will be a fuel to fill the gap until a better engine or fuel is developed.
How about the fuel developed in "Back to the Future". The Flux Capacitor just might save the day?