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#51 of 10711 Sebring95 - You just contradicted your argument! by kyjeepster Sep 15, 2003 (11:30 am)
I got bashed because I stated that our diesel fuel was not of the quality of that in Europe and that might be the reason for the hold back on American Diesel KJ production. The you post that VW has problem in servicing thier TDI's in the US because of our crappy fuel.   Why are you posting here instead of JeepUnlimited where that kind of poster bashing is expected.
#52 of 10711 kyjeepster by sebring95 Sep 15, 2003 (1:07 pm)
What are you talking about? Who "bashed" you? I simply said I thought the roll-out delay was for service/dealer prep reasons. 2005 hardly gets us to ULSD which isn't due until 2006 at the very earliest, and that's assuming it doesn't get delayed.   The TDI's have a tendancey to gum up the intake, partly due to crappy fuel. This isn't the reason VW dealers have trouble servcing TDI's, it's because I feel their training leaves a lot to be desired. You can avoid the intake gumming up by running a quality fuel which is available in the states, my TDI being an example. ULSD isn't required to avoid this. ULSD will be required for more advanced emissions controls. The same crappy diesel that gums up the intakes, will literally destroy advanced catlysts, particulate traps, and other emissions control devices which aren't on the libby.
#54 of 10711 Sebring by kyjeepster Sep 15, 2003 (1:33 pm)
Sorry for the hot-head, but I really do not think that Daimler cares if their Jeep repair techs know how to work on the product that are released to the public. I think all Daimler is interested in at this point is making sure that they can make money in the end.
#55 of 10711 kyjeepster by sebring95 Sep 16, 2003 (4:52 am)
I completely agree that DC is only interested in making money. Who isn't? Reinforces my point though, because they stand to make a lot of money if they can get a good diesel product on the market here. If the first few years are filled with problems and incompetant dealers, people will abandon buying the diesels because they're too much trouble. DC has the upper hand here because they already have a couple models that sell in other countries with nothing different exept the diesel engines. Once the network and training are in place, it would be very simple for the Grand Cherokee to be released with a diesel as well. Mid-size luxury SUV market is where the money is at. Ford and Chevy have to start from scratch if they want to compete. I predict a huge success if they do this properly. I'm willing to wait, as I'd much rather see diesel vehicles become popular here in the states, and not just a odd vehicle running around. Diesel vehicles save fuel now and don't require 10-100 years worth of development.
#56 of 10711 DC has contract to use VW diesels by bpeebles Sep 16, 2003 (6:13 pm)
Interesting news snippet. DC has a contract with VW for TDI engines. (Just like the Dodge Omni used to have a VW engine)   TEXT FOLLOWS:   Engine Partnership between Volkswagen AG and DaimlerChrysler AG Volkswagen to provide TDI units to DaimlerChrysler September 10, 2003 | Source: Volkswagen AG   Volkswagen and DaimlerChrysler have agreed to form a partnership concerning the delivery of 120,000 2.0-liter-four-valve diesel engines (100 kW/136 hp) a year. The first deliveries will be made in 2005; the agreement runs until 2013.   The engines are targeted for use in Chrysler brand vehicles as well as in future models of DaimlerChrysler's alliance partner Mitsubishi Motors (MMC). These passenger cars will be marketed exclusively in Europe   http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=6078
#57 of 10711 Diesel Vehicles by jimlockey Sep 16, 2003 (7:12 pm)
Your correct in saying DC or anyone does not want trouble with their diesels once they start selling them in the States. It is not that we are getting something new, wow, they have already being driving them all over Europe and now have excellent engines to import to the States. Dodge, Ford and GMC all have success with their heavy duty trucks. I drive a Ford diesel now and have had a cummins as well as a TDI.   Europe does have one advantage in having 85% less sulfur in their fuel. This alone will make for cleaner burning engines. They now have particle catchers that make the new generation diesels burn very clean. I think the plan for us is for the fuel to have much less sulfur by 2005.   There are a lot of guys like me that have driven the diesels and love em, but right now the only cars available will the MB which is to expensive for the average person and the too small VW. Well, the Passat will be larger. The middle size SUV's we have now are ripe for diesels.   The best thing a diesel has going for it is torque, and until you have driven one for a while that word will not mean anything to the average person. Let's put it another way. How would you like to stick your car in cruise, let's say 70 MPH. At that point it will be in overdrive. With a diesel it will stay in overdrive most of the time. That is torque.
#58 of 10711 thats a FACT! by bpeebles Sep 17, 2003 (5:57 am)
"People BUY horsepower... but DRIVE torque."   There are very few people that actually use the advertized horsepower that their engine produces. Look at the powercurve and you will see that HP is often only available at outrageeously high RPM levels. Who drives like that?   Sure -- people can say "I have 250HP" but they have probubly never used it because of the high RPMs that are needed to produce that HP. If you look at the RPMs they actually DRIVE at... they are using perhaps 100 HP at any time.   Cruzing at highways speeds uses perhaps 12-to-20 horsepower.   But with TORQUE.... the more that is available in the lower RPMs, the better. This is where most folks are running their engines.   With a diesel, all of the lovable TORQUE is right there where you need it for most daily driving situations. (down low in the RPMs)Pulling away from a stoplight the car LEAPS forward because that is when this engine is at its BEST.   Dont take our word for it... test drive a VW TDI today.... (drive their GAS engine first then the diesel) The ability to release the clutch at idle and have it PULL like a tractor is exactly what people need/want in most driving situations.   It is virtually impossible to wear out a clutch in over 200K miles of driving because you never have to 'rev' the engine when starting from a stop. Just release the clutch... then start accellerating.   It took me several months of driving a diesel to relearn how to take advantage os all of that wonderful TORQUE. A diesel LOVES to be loaded and pulling hard. 5th gear up steep grades is effortless for this engine.   I like the 50+ MPG too! Over 650 miles per tank of fuel.   Bring on the diesels DC!
#59 of 10711 VW ???? by jimlockey Sep 24, 2003 (12:55 pm)
When you test drive a VW TDI be sure to put an adult or two in the back seat, or even better sit there yourself. The Jeep Liberty, with a diesel, will have much more room and is built just as good.   (2) Find out from someone who has owned a VW TDI and had it serviced at a VW dealer. I had one for almost two years and the preventative maintenance cost was twice, almost three time as much as my Ford Power Stroke diesel. I have owned over 30 new cars & trucks and have never been ripped off like this before.

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