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#11381 of 11441 Re: so winter2 never did post his letter, pics or results [gimmestdtranny] by tired_old_dave

Jan 26, 2013 (3:35 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Jan 26, 2013 11:14 am)
Me too. Curious about winter2 and wonder if farout is still checking in. My guess based on silence, even though he was fighting mad and burned by dealership(s), that he may finally have taken the hit. Caribou keeps chiming in with how great his 2.5 Euro spec diesel is but his dealership service payments, if memory serves me well, were substantial. True cost of ownership is horrific. Desmog the engine out of federal law, buy a suncoast torque converter, buy the Green tuner, buy good ball joints, hope the motor does go south for the heck of it like Darby and Winter. The list is endless. Penske GM Daimler/Chrysler who else owned or owns VM and who cares. For some the diesel is dead but some writers keep insisting the diesel hybrid is the next solution for the auto world. Some say the last gasp like the horse and buggy in 1890.
 
One of my mags mentioned that the 3.0 VM Panther engine better be a success for the jeep grand cherokee or kiss Fiat Jeep diesels good bye.

#11382 of 11441 Re: so winter2 never did post his letter, pics or results [steve_] by tired_old_dave

Jan 26, 2013 (3:54 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Jan 26, 2013 3:35 pm)
Thanks. Knew about the Mercury but the Subaru is news to me. Guess we know now. Guessing he got the H6 and turbo. Need to go find winter2.
 
Edit:
Mercury is gone and he had a Liberty. Now he has a Subaru Outback Premium 2.5. Good Luck winter2.

#11383 of 11441 Re: so winter2 never did post his letter, pics or results [steve_] by gimmestdtranny

Jan 27, 2013 (6:38 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Jan 26, 2013 3:35 pm)
Good point, never thought of that. Except that if they did the right thing in the end I would think they would want him to tell the rest of the saga in some futile attempt for them to redeem themselves. Poor guy, no matter what they ended up doing, even if he got a new engine (one that they emissioned to last) he still has a pile of patience. Tons more than I could have mustered.

#11384 of 11441 Re: Oil Capacity and other issues [gimmestdtranny] by caribou1

Jan 27, 2013 (1:06 pm)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Jan 26, 2013 11:21 am)
Hi gimmestdtranny,
 
The (central) stator coupled to the 45RFE was incriminated on the higher Torque / HP engines.
My engine is a de-rated 2.8L producing only 150HP , but flawlessly during the past 10 years.
 
I live in the Alps (in France) where temperatures vary between -20°C and +35°C at 450mt altitude. When we ski we have -25°C at night; I only check my antifreeze (-37°C) and sufficient tire pressure.
 
My shortest drive with the Jeep is 20 miles, I prefer to use my vintage Corolla 2.0D for short trips and city driving.

#11385 of 11441 Re: so winter2 never did post his letter, pics or results [tired_old_dave] by caribou1

Jan 27, 2013 (1:28 pm)

Replying to: tired_old_dave (Jan 26, 2013 3:35 pm)
Hi tired old dave,
My engine came from the very first batch to equip the Jeep 2.8L CRD; it had been successfully tested on the Alfa Romeo Giulia.
 
My dealership had a wonderful head technician in 2003, but promotion moved him to Mercedes Benz vehicles. They've not seen me since the ball joint recall that wasn't needed for my truck because it already had the PTFE lining.
 
Radio silence since then ...

#11386 of 11441 Re: so winter2 never did post his letter, pics or results [caribou1] by tired_old_dave

Jan 27, 2013 (7:37 pm)

Replying to: caribou1 (Jan 27, 2013 1:28 pm)
caribou1,
 
Thanks for the 2.8 correction. I would've lost any bet but I seem to remember the 2.5 was the forerunner for the 2.8 and your model. Americans got an inferior torque converter (weaker springs) for years before they got the Euro spec. I believe winter2 was in communication with VM about that and oil specified by Daimler/Chrysler. Obviously with a new Euro spec KJ (Good initial quality control) and your ambient temperatures, you have been served well.
I still think you should've made Post #10,000.
Good day and no need for me to check in here anymore.

#11387 of 11441 Fed Up by willysjeep

Jan 29, 2013 (3:43 pm)

I don't have a heated garage. Everything on this jeep is difficult to do. It was not built to be worked on. I've had it for almost 8 years now. What do you folks recommend as a rugged higher mileage vehicle? My brother has a front wheel drive Ford Escape and loves it. the traction is better than this stupid rear wheel drive Jeep. As soon as times get better for me, the Jeep is going to be history. The dealer tells me that there are only two of these in town. If I have them do any work, they have almost as steep a learning curve as me.

#11388 of 11441 Re: Fed Up [willysjeep] by unclebob9

Jan 30, 2013 (7:49 am)

Replying to: willysjeep (Jan 29, 2013 3:43 pm)
try it in 4 wheel drive, if you still have trouble your tires are wrong for the snow.
It's not any harder to work on than any of todays vehicles with smog crap engulfing the motor.
If you have had it for 8 years, your garage cannot be cold 12 months out of each year?
  What are your other specific complaints, we may be able to point you in the right direction.
 
Bob

#11389 of 11441 2006 Liberty CRD by warren9

Jan 30, 2013 (8:14 am)

I've had mine for 7 years. Other than idiot engineers at Chrysler detunig it, it is great. Oil changed every 2K miles. ATF every 15k. Fine car. As soon as Ford comes up with a small diesel vehicle I'll probably trade. My service truck, with a 7.3 has 259K on it and is still like factory.

#11390 of 11441 Re: so winter2 never did post his letter, pics or results [gimmestdtranny] by winter2

Feb 11, 2013 (9:01 am)

Replying to: gimmestdtranny (Jan 26, 2013 11:14 am)
Winter2 Here,
 
Yes, it has been a while since I have visited here and left any comments. I have been terribly busy at work and just have not had the opportunity to get the letter out to Sergio or post it here.
 
In any event, we are going to let the Jeep go and move on. We are also done with Chrysler after my wife and I have been customers of theirs for more than fifty years. I still like some of their products and designs but my wife and I are concerned about the treatment we would receive should something like this occur again.
 
In the meantime, I have purchased a 2013 Subaru Outback 2.5i Premium. The fuel economy is about the same as the Jeep, but I do miss the torque from the diesel. The interior room is about the same but the seats are far superior as is the ride which is quieter and more supple. Handling is equivalent. The engine in the Subaru is a bit different. It is still a flat four but now there is a timing chain instead of a timing belt. The transmission is a CVT versus the five speed in the Jeep. This is my first CVT and it takes a bit of getting use to. There is no torque converter. I was on number three when the engine blew.
 
I suppose I could post the letter I do have and the pictures I have before I send them off to Sergio. I need a little advice on how to post the letter and the pictures.
 
Thanks

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