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Re: EGR Issues [axelf66] by winter2
Oct 09, 2009 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: axelf66 (Oct 09, 2009 1:54 pm)

Interesting issues. I have been running a K&N filter since about 14K miles without a problem. I had the EGR replaced once at about 17K miles and now have over 56K miles.
 
Is the passage from the engine to the EGR clogged? What about the little filter that is on the passenger side of the engine that helps with or has something to do with the VGT control? Have you ever replaced that? Could the CAC be full of trash? Have you checked the boost sensor in spite of cleaning it to make sure it is sending back the correct information? The CCV device, is it clogged or not working?
 
Is the engine controller software up to date?
 
As to additives, I like the stuff from RedLine and also from LiquiMoly. LiquiMoly has an item called Diesel Purge (Diesel-Spülung) which is suppose to clean out the combustion chamber and other items.
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Re: EGR Issues [winter2] by axelf66
Oct 10, 2009 (4:12 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (Oct 09, 2009 5:27 pm)

Winter, thanks for your reply. I am not to good with acronyms so please enlighten me regarding VGT, CAC and CCV. I have not pulled anything apart yet but would have thought the mechanic would have cleaned the the EGR ports when they replaced it last time. I did not check the boost sensor voltages if thats what you mean. I just cleaned it since it was so dirty.
 
I would expect when the dealer checked the system they updated the codes but I will check it. I will have to ask however I take my Liberty to a dealer who is no longer affliated with Chrysler. Be that as it may when this problem kept recurring my dealer took it to a local Jeep dealer because we thought we had a bad EGR which should have not failed. Although I don't know what they did they did not replace the EGR but said it was coked up.
 
Where do I get the Diesel Purge. I think I can get Red Line from the truck stop.
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Re: EGR Issues [axelf66] by winter2
Oct 10, 2009 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: axelf66 (Oct 10, 2009 4:12 am)

VGT: Variable Geometry Turbocharger
CAC: another name for the intercooler
CCV: if you remove the shroud from the engine, you will find a round black plastic device sitting in the valve cover with a a hose attached to it. As I understand it, this device has something to do with removing blowby gases from the crankcase.
 
To obtain Redline additives, go to their website and look up the nearest reseller by zip code. For the Diesel Purge, go to the LuqiMolly website and contact the North American representative. I was fortunate to find their products at a local NAPA store.
 
As to being "coked" up or "carboned" up, the tech at my dealer has told me what to do the keep the carbon levels down in the engine and that includes regular "nose blowing". Unfortunately, domestic diesel fuel sucks and is of very poor quality except for the stuff you find in California. The addition of cetane improvers is helpful in reducing smoke/carbon formation.
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Re: EGR Issues [axelf66] by caribou1
Oct 10, 2009 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: axelf66 (Oct 09, 2009 1:54 pm)

Hi axelf66,
Where are you with your diagnostic now?
The first thing I would do about a boost pressure error is to provocate it. Check the movement of the vanes of your turbo and make sure there is no pneumatic or mechanical issue with the mechanism that moves these vanes. The little plastic filter located behind the air filter box could play a trick on you
 
Are the vanes kept away from the rotor by default? I don't have this type of turbo so I can't tell what happens if the control solenoid valve does not distribute vacuum or if there is no vacuum available to move the vanes.
 
The boost pressure sensor could be checked by measuring the output voltage variation when you move the vanes manually (by jumping the control solenoid valve) at a steady engine speed ~1500rpm. There isn't much risk when the engine isn't under load. You will also feel the intake air hose get stiffer as you do this test. Do you feel a loss of power when you get the error code on the console?
 
What type of oil do you use? I only had a dirty boost sensor once when I used semi synthetic 15w40 Rotella.
 
Last thing that comes to my mind: open, observe and re insert your connectors. I cleaned the engine compartment with lots of water this summer and now I'm getting better mileage
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Re: EGR Issues [winter2] by axelf66
Oct 10, 2009 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: winter2 (Oct 10, 2009 9:07 am)

Winter, thanks for the info. I figured out the CAC and CVT by doing some checking. I find it hard to believe a 3in tube is coked. It could be the smaller tube coming from the EGR to manifold. At any rate I am going to clean everything tomorrow. I plan to change the boost pressure sensor since it was so coked when I cleaned it it may not have been working properly. That said I have to wait until Monday to order since it is a dealer only part at this point. The only way to get the smaller EGR line out is to remove the skd plate and crawl under the car. Trouble is everything I have illiustrating it doesn't show this line so I have to play it by ear. I am going to try and do it without removing the EGR. Hopefully the dealer has already cleaned it and the air control valve. The CCV sound like it is similar to a PCV. I will look at it as well.
 
Thanks for the info on Redline and Lugimolly. I will try their websites.
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Re: EGR Issues [caribou1] by axelf66
Oct 10, 2009 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Oct 10, 2009 11:50 am)

Caribou1: The turbo seems to work well. I have lots of power although I get a slight hestitation when I accelerate if I don't put contineous pressure on the throttle. It will sometimes, not all the time, balk a little. This turbo lag as I call it may come because of the so called coking but until I clean everything I can't be sure. I am going to work it tomorrow, clean all the CVC lines, the EGR valve and Air Control Valve ports and the EGR line that goes to the exhaust manifold. The little filter you and Winter discuss that is located I believe on what looks like the Vacuum Control something or another and was changed once about 45K so I am going to change it again. No one seems to have it either or know what it is so I contacted the dealer Friday and asked about that and the boost pressure sensor. I think this could alleviate some of the issues with insufficent EGR air flow (P0401) code and stop the underboost P0299 code I get. The filter cost $10 bucks and sensor $65 bucks but is much cheaper than an EGR. My warranty company has already replaced 3 EGR's including the original and is a little leary of replacing it again. They flatly told me that things that got carboned up, live engine valves, were not a covered espense and they would not pay to clean them. Guess they would rather replace them.
 
I use 0W40 Mobil Synthetic as called for by the engine manufacturer. I was told when I bouught the unit it was the only oil I could use and not void the engine warranty. That said my dealer allows me to purchase the oil and filter and then he changes it. It's done every 3000 miles religiously.
 
I will check and reinsert the connectors as you indicate.
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Re: EGR Issues [winter2] by axelf66
Oct 10, 2009 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: winter2 (Oct 10, 2009 9:07 am)

Winter: I checked out the Redline and the fuel catalyst is avaliable at my local Pepboys. In that regard I also looked into the Lubro Molly Diesel Purge. That is some strong shit. Does the manuafacturer reccomend this stuff. According the to specs a can full will totally recondintion your ride. Please let me know how this stuff affected your motor. I am simply looking for a good cleaner to remove carbon.
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Re: EGR Issues [axelf66] by emp2
Oct 10, 2009 (3:34 pm)
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Replying to: axelf66 (Oct 10, 2009 2:22 pm)

axelf66:If you do not have a repair manual I suggest you go to message #10586 by caribou1 . A lot of your code problems could be fixed with some easy inexpensive solutions according to the manual such as a" plugged crank case vent" . The codes in this manual are differant in that it does not list code p0401 but has two p0402 code#s but you will see when you look on page 131 what I mean . With the mpg your getting your motor would seem to be already running at peak performance .By the manual code0299 could possibly be fixed by correcting p0401 first . Good Luck
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Re: EGR Issues [axelf66] by winter2
Oct 10, 2009 (4:14 pm)
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Replying to: axelf66 (Oct 10, 2009 12:43 pm)

The correct spelling is Liquimolly. Sorry about the typo. Best of luck and keep me informed. I will try to help as I can.
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Re: EGR Issues [axelf66] by winter2
Oct 10, 2009 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: axelf66 (Oct 10, 2009 2:22 pm)

Axel,
 
I have not used the Diesel Purge only the Super Diesel Additiv. It has proven itself very effective. I have had less soot on the boost pressure sensor, less knocking and much easier starting in cold/cool weather. Also, there has been less smoke from the tailpipe too.
 
One other question has come to mind. Is the catalytic converter clogged, even partially?

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