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Re: Not Starting [caribou1] by siberia
Mar 16, 2009 (3:36 am)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Mar 16, 2009 2:14 am)

The so called lift pump on our CRDs is in the common rail pump after the filter assy. We do not have the lift pump that you mention. There is wiring back at the tank for a lift pump but it was never installed. If there is an air leak and a lift pump is installed the air leak turns into a fuel leak and it becomes easy to find.
 
Like Winter2 I have had no problems. After a fuel filter change and priming I can never take an additional pump on the primer because it is solid no matter how long the vehicle sits without running. Anyone who can pump their primer on a daily basis has an air leak somewhere.
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Re: Not Starting [winter2] by siberia
Mar 16, 2009 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (Mar 15, 2009 6:36 pm)

But I do beat on the engine at least once daily (when thoroughly warm) as Caribou has suggested in the past.
 
As a clarification for anyone reading this, you do not need to run you engine wide open through the gears to do this. You can do every thing that the EGR valve and the turbo need in 3rd gear lockup saving the transmission and the torque converter.
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Re: Not Starting [siberia] by caribou1
Mar 16, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: siberia (Mar 16, 2009 3:36 am)

Hi siberia,
Have you heard the little 'humm' coming from underneath the vehicle just after stopping the engine?
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Re: Not Starting [caribou1] by siberia
Mar 16, 2009 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Mar 16, 2009 7:44 am)

Yes. What I hear is the motor in the EGR air flow control valve between the CAC hose and the intake manifold. It runs for a while and claps to a stop after the key is turned off. There is also a tiny dc reversible motor in the blend-door actuator that runs audibly when the key is turned on.
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Re: Not Starting [siberia] by caribou1
Mar 17, 2009 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: siberia (Mar 16, 2009 5:44 pm)

With the ignition ON, motor and blower OFF (button at full ccw position), I can hear the blend door actuator if I turn the temperature control button. I have no motorized EGR air flow valve on my truck because it's a MY 2003, but I do hear another little motor located outside the cabin. Could it be the ABS pump?
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Re: Not Starting [caribou1] by mdamick
Mar 17, 2009 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Mar 17, 2009 5:31 am)

I doubt the ABS pump as it should only operate when a tire locks up.
You might be hearing the turbo control valve as it hums as it adjusts the vacuum to the turbo vanes.
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Re: Not Starting [siberia] by winter2
Mar 17, 2009 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: siberia (Mar 16, 2009 3:47 am)

Siberia,
 
I follow Caribou's method of clearing the EGR by turning off the overdrive, stomping on the gas from a dead stop or near dead stop and running the speed to 100 KPH and holding it there for a about ten to twenty seconds.
 
If I fail to clear the EGR for a week or when traffic has been especially bad, then sometimes I must do the aforementioned procedure twice to clear out any accumulated soot.
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Re: Not Starting [caribou1] by winter2
Mar 17, 2009 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Mar 16, 2009 2:14 am)

Caribou,
 
On occasion I might hear some electrical noise and I think it is coming from the motor that controls the flap used to shut the engine down more smoothly. I could be wrong and then again my hearing is not the greatest either.
 
As to starting, I do hear a little sound from the rear that lasts a split second when I first start the Jeep in the morning or if it has been sitting all day. I believe that the fuel system is being pressurized in some way. If you try to pull the fuel filter after you shut down the engine and do not remove the fuel filler cap, there is a good chance you will get a little shower of diesel fuel all over the place. The tech at the dealer I use strongly suggested that I remove the fuel filler cap before changing the fuel filter. As to cavitation, if the fuel system does not leak, then air entering or being created by cavitation is very unlikely.
 
One of the easiest ways to get air in the fuel system is to fill the CRD or most any diesel while the engine is running. If you are really low on fuel, it will probably happen. Diesel fuel loves to foam when dispensed from a pump. I saw it happen to a guy in a Ford with a Powerstroke . I warned him and he looked at me like I was from another planet. He filled his truck, got into it put it in gear and after twenty feet it sputtered and died. He could not restart it. I drove away with a smile on my face.
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Re: Not Starting [winter2] by caribou1
Mar 18, 2009 (12:24 am)
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Replying to: winter2 (Mar 17, 2009 2:59 pm)

Winter2,
My engine does not have the EGR air flow valve; I have the older system and my turbo sets it's pressure with a waste gate instead of variable vanes. I have the pre-production version of the one you have. I never get OBD codes on my console; mine is under educated compared to yours
 
Here is a page of the MY2003 manual describing my EGR system. My EGR is easily accessible, it sits just above the turbo and on top of the engine. I wouldn't get my hands dirty if I had to change it. This is much less sophisticated and highly efficient
http://richard.fortin.free.fr/KJ_diesel/OldCRDengine.pdf
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Re: Not Starting [caribou1] by siberia
Mar 18, 2009 (2:36 am)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Mar 17, 2009 5:31 am)

Caribu1, I don't know. My Jetta TDI has a lift pump and it is unmistakable. You can hear it with the windows up and there is a distinct click when the relay shuts the pump off about when the glow plug light goes out. The unit injectors are primed and the engine starts instantly - barely hear one piston before it's running.

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