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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [caribou1] by farout
Nov 21, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Nov 19, 2008 8:42 am)

Caribou1: Yes French Friend I did indeed read your post. I read these post's often. I feel bad so many of you have experienced the high dollar repairs. OUCH, that just gota hurt bunches!
 
I kinda kept up on resale value of the CRD in the NADA book. The CRD has taken a big hit. But in all fairness every vehicle in the auto auction have taken a dump. Our son has a used vehicle dealers buyers permit for the big auctions. Heck our 2007 Chrysler pacifica AWD Touring is worth about 1/2 half of what we owe on it. The huge difference between the Pacifica and the CRD is we really like the Pacifica and the low cost of keeping it up. We consistently get 22 to 25 mpg and with 28,700 miles it is perfect for us. Gasoline here is $1.69 a gallon and diesel is $ 2.65 so that is one thing I don't miss is the extra money for diesel. How is the price there?
 
The economy is a scary thing here for a good number of folks. Unless the "Big Three" get some $ real soon I think we are headed for deeper financial troubles, that most likely spread to many other countries. When dealers can't finance the cars to put on the lots, and buyers are less likely to be able to get financing that means real trouble. Even with the US giving the $ for the big three, unless people can get $ to purchase the vehicles the Big Three will be dead in the water. I am glad I don't earn a living selling vehicles!
 
Hows the economy in France? Hope you and yours are doing well.
 
farout, but still near......lol
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [farout] by caribou1
Nov 21, 2008 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: farout (Nov 21, 2008 12:32 pm)

Hi farout,
We're in the same mess
I try to buy stuff ahead of time because good things are getting scarce. Less $, less offer, less customers, and what happens when you're missing a replacement part? You're stuck.
As we discussed a long time ago on this forum, automobile parts are common and are made everywhere. If the big three don't survive, we all loose.
 
Someone made the following comment today:
- The Chinese replaced their bicycles by automobiles,
- In Paris, the mayor is replacing our automobiles by bicycles
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [caribou1] by mdamick
Nov 21, 2008 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: caribou1 (Nov 21, 2008 1:48 am)

Our book says 100000 mi.
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [mdamick] by caribou1
Nov 21, 2008 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: mdamick (Nov 21, 2008 1:10 pm)

Ours may have been translated by someone who doesn't know what "mi" stands for
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [fust] by siberia
Nov 21, 2008 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: fust (Nov 20, 2008 1:32 pm)

It is standard procedure on VW TDIs to change the belts, idlers, belt tensioner, water pump and bolts with every timing belt change. Complete kits can be bought for around $300 that include everything needed. Depending on the mechanic (independent or dealership) the cost ranges from, say, $600 to $1500. The argument is that most water pumps will run 100k miles but many will not run 200k miles. $2,000 for timing belt, water pump, etc replacement may be some what reasonable for a CRD.
 
A fiend owns a Honda CRV and has spent $1,500 for each timing belt / water pump change so some gas engines that need timing belt changes are not cheap. I think a lot of gas cars are just driven without concern for timing belt changes and if the belt doesn't break fine. If the belt does break the car is approaching it's useful life anyway and the response of the owner to the mechanic is, What's a timing belt and why did it destroy my engine?
 
The expectation of diesel owners is that the engines will run much longer so the timing belts (should) get better attention.
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [mdamick] by siberia
Nov 21, 2008 (8:03 pm)
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Replying to: mdamick (Nov 20, 2008 2:35 pm)

It would be nice to know what is the mean and standard deviation of timing belt failures found during testing. Timing belts don't really fail due to miles (exactly), they fail due to load, hours, age, contamination, operating temperature, original quality and the like.
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [farout] by winter2
Nov 23, 2008 (6:14 pm)
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Replying to: farout (Nov 21, 2008 12:32 pm)

Hello Farout,
 
Nice to see you post again. I see you are enjoying your Pacifica.
 
My CRD is doing reasonably well. The weak link is the torque converter. If it fails again, it gets an aftermarket (Suncoast) TC, a trans kit and that should be the end of transmission issues.
 
Frankly, I am happy that I have hung onto my CRD. It has been very reliable and the dealer I have been using has been fabulous. Their tech has taught me a few tricks to help maintain my CRD properly.
 
As for the cost of diesel, I last paid $2.559 cash. Fuel economy has remained quite good with mixed city highway at 23 MPG and straight highway between 29 - 31 MPG. In spite of the higher fuel cost, the CRD is significantly cheaper to drive than the gas counterpart.
 
In January, my wife and I will be driving to Florida with the CRD. Her 1998 Chrysler Concorde with 2.7 L V-6 gets 28 MPG on the road but she finds the CRD safer and more comfortable. The CRD also has better pulling power at high speeds than the Chrysler.
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Re: Timing Belt Replacement [siberia] by caribou1
Nov 24, 2008 (2:19 am)
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Replying to: siberia (Nov 21, 2008 8:03 pm)

Hi siberia,
I think we have common conditions in the case of the timing belt:
- load cannot change significantly because camshafts acceleration is limited by the ECU (limitation of the acceleration value) and the effort to turn the water pump is negligible,
- temperature is defined by the thermostat,
- outdoor aging is generally related to UV exposure and material fatigue (total bends/folds in a given environment). The belt is protected from UV light, but the engine temperature creates the stable condition for deterioration.
- original component quality is usually excellent.
 
I don't know many people who take time to understand what's going on
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transfer case sticks by bcnail
Nov 25, 2008 (3:41 pm)
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My 2005 CRD has nearly 49,000 miles. Last night I put the transfer case into full time 4wheel drive. Today when I shifted out of full time to 2wheel drive it refused to go beyond part time 4 wheel drive. I push the lever all the way down but the dash display says "part time" and the car drives as if it is in part time. I have played around with the lever but it still will not go into 2 wheel drive. I have never had this happen before. Any ideas?
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johnhayworth by johnhayworth
Nov 25, 2008 (5:09 pm)
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When placing the transmission into or out of 4 wheal {I do this for all changed} stop on an incline so the Liberty can roll back when placed in nutria. Let it roll back a couple of feet then place transmission into or out of gear. Finding this has made mine work every time. I hope it works for YOUALL!

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