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#2751 of 2800 Re: [gagrice]Be SAFE w/ DIESEL or Be BOLD & ADVENTURSOME w/ HYBRIDS! [rail
Feb 14, 2005 (8:00 pm)
Wise words railroadjames.
I'm only 44 years old and admitted gadget freak, and respect both old & new technology. One thing I enjoy doing is refurbishing 1920's - 1950's wood radios.
My dad of 67 worked most of his life as an aircraft maintenance engineer. He owned an Isuzu diesel back in the 70's and got rid of it.
As soon as he heard I bought my HCH he had to take it for a spin. completely impressed he's always talking about it to his friends...And my average 59-60MPG
#2752 of 2800 Re: [gagrice]Be SAFE w/ DIESEL or Be BOLD & ADVENTURSOME w/ HYBRIDS! [rail [misterme]
Feb 14, 2005 (8:24 pm)
Sounds like you & Dad are doing a little hybrid bonding. I too think that it's good to take from the old and develope the new.Since I'm a railroad "toot-toot ding-ding"(engineer) I find the development of the hybrids rewarding. Kinda like the change from steam to diesel.
Culliganman(A new age on the horizon)
#2753 of 2800 Re: [misterme]
Feb 14, 2005 (8:51 pm)
Toyota's system I am less optimistic, simply because it relies so heavily on the hybrid system itself to move down the road.
We are in agreement. I think the HCH and Insight are simpler and less likely to have expensive failures than the Prius and next generation HSD hybrids.
#2754 of 2800 Re: [gagrice]Be SAFE w/ DIESEL or Be BOLD & ADVENTURSOME w/ HYBRIDS! [rail [misterme] [railroadjames]
Feb 14, 2005 (8:57 pm)
Kinda like the change from steam to diesel
That was the down fall of the railroads. I like the steam engines, especially the Shays. Nothing compares to a Steam locomotive. Ah the good old days..
#2755 of 2800 Re: [gagrice]Be SAFE w/ DIESEL or Be BOLD & ADVENTURSOME w/ HYBRIDS! [rail
Feb 14, 2005 (9:30 pm)
I hardly qualify as an expert, but have done alot of research on the manufacturing, assembling, running these machines and the role & responsibilities of a steam engineer. Extremely fascinating.
Unfortunately they may be strictly museum pieces, as the # of qualified people who maintain and run these are dwindling. I recall reading of one that blew up in Tennessee, severely injuring the fireman & engineer because they were 100% relying on the water sight glass alone, which wasn't blown & cleaned out for quite some time. The sheet was exposed and BOOM. I used to live next to a RR museum and they had a huge 2-8-4 they were working on. They were looking for someone to rework the boiler. 7 years later they are still waiting for a qualified volunteer
Advancing from steam to diesel....Hmmm...isn't it more like advancing from steam to HYBRID diesel?
#2756 of 2800 Re: [gagrice]Be SAFE w/ DIESEL or Be BOLD & ADVENTURSOME w/ HYBRIDS! [rail [misterme]
Feb 14, 2005 (9:55 pm)
isn't it more like advancing from steam to HYBRID diesel?
Just having a flashback of nostalgia. I'm sure that hybrids will in some form come out on top of the motive force for future automobiles. I just want us to use whatever resources we have in the most efficient way possible. Diesel has been the better fuel since the invention of the ICE. I think that we were pushed into using gasoline by oil company interests not by good science. If the money spent to bring the gas engine to where it is today was spent on diesel, we would not be having this discussion. Honda has proven that a company that took a wrong turn a long time ago is capable of seeing their err, with a 180 degree turn around they build the innovative i-CDTI.
Feb 15, 2005 (5:48 am)
I still contend that 2 hybrids driven 100k miles each and dumped are more polluting than 1 VW TDI driven 200k miles.
Based on what? Is this based on your assumption, or do you have data that youíre relying upon?
No one has shown proof that a hybrid on the average is good for 200k miles.
I assume you meant hybrid power plant. If that is the case, you can only use data that is available, correct? I posted reliability report on two engines from Consumer reports for 2000 model year. Five years should be a reasonable time frame for it, if not what you might need to get to 200K miles, right? Now, the ratings:
VW Jetta TDI: Average
Honda Insight: Excellent
I guess hybrid held up better than diesel in this case over five years. Refute this.
As for 200K miles or more on a hybrid, railroadjames may have to say something about it. After all, diesel locomotives are essentially hybrids! There must be a few with enough miles under the wheels.
Honda has proven that a company that took a wrong turn a long time ago is capable of seeing their err, with a 180 degree turn around they build the innovative i-CDTI
AFAIK, Honda expanded its offering, and they continue to. I-CTDi was added last year for European market, but over last five years, Honda has added three hybrid power trains and a fuel cell vehicle, in production. Iím not sure about your comment involving 180 degree turn here.
#2758 of 2800 What wrong turn?
Feb 15, 2005 (6:26 am)
quote gagrice-"Honda has proven that a company that took a wrong turn a long time ago is capable of seeing their err, with a 180 degree turn around they build the innovative i-CDTI."-end quote
What "wrong turn" are you referring to, Gary? I don't see any wrong turns by Honda.
They built the i-CTdi for the "EURO MARKET" and it had nothing to do with anything else. They also have a brand new diesel engine for the Civic this year 2006 for the Euro market.
#2759 of 2800 Re: What wrong turn? [larsb]
Feb 15, 2005 (7:09 am)
What "wrong turn" are you referring to, Gary?
It seems I have read that Honda corporate "Hated" diesel. Now they have built one of the best diesel engines on the planet. If they had put the energy into diesel way back, instead of gas engines they could be the biggest automaker instead of 4th or 5th. Diesel will end up on top because of your pet rant "GHG". It is a direct result of burning fossil fuel. The less you use the less CO2. Diesels use less fuel for the power you get out of the engine. When the EPA does what they should have done 20 years ago forcing the cleanup of diesel. Honda will bring the i-CDTI to the USA, if they want to stay competitive.
#2760 of 2800 Re: What wrong turn? [gagrice]
Feb 15, 2005 (7:17 am)
If ďhateĒ is the word, you may want to apply the same to Honda planning to not offer diesel in USA any time soon because they continue to hate it.
And no, Honda couldnít have been larger by simply making diesel engines. Guess who manufactured the first diesel engine offered in Honda (2003 Euro Civic)Ö Isuzu: a struggling company.
As for GHG rant, diesels donít do as well in EPA pollution measurements (a reason Honda isnít bringing its diesel any time soon, since they hate it, or so they quote in their PR, right?). And being hybrid versus diesel thread, let me know when comparable diesels can beat hybrids even in GHG area. As of now, they donít! (heck, even Accord gasoline engine beats Passat diesel in that area, forget about hybrid).