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#2791 of 2800 Re: THE DOWNFALL OF RAILROADS WAS THE AUTO INDUSTRY & CONGRESS [gagrice]
Feb 15, 2005 (10:00 am)
If the HOST "BOB" will allow me a little leeway, I'll just point out .....in 30 yrs on the railroad.. I collided with 5 pick-ups
1 Diesel fuel truck
1 Refrigerater (yea!)
and a partridge in a pear tree. Most of the vehicles were diesel powered...maybe thats why I'm PRO-HYBRID (ha-ha)
So the host can tollerate this thread I'll say seriously that the real reason I'm leaning toward HYBRIDS more is, as they say, "the proofs in the pudding" My Prius gets great milage. I've had her well over 100 MPH and she's rock solid(must be those great airodynamics) and the low,low pollutents make sense. Test drive one for more than a day and you might come away with a better understanding why we Prius-People are so content and a bit giddy while passing Hummers loading up in gas-stations.
P.S. By the way, why , after all these yrs, do diesel vehicles have to be so darn noisey? Can't someone remedy this quirk? It's like Harley-riders and their loud pipes announcing their coming and going.
#2792 of 2800 Re: THE DOWNFALL OF RAILROADS WAS THE AUTO INDUSTRY & CONGRESS [railroadjames]
Feb 15, 2005 (10:16 am)
No Moose, Deer or cattle?
I think the hybrid concept is good. I am a simple thinking person. I don't believe the Prius reaches the level of simplicity that I could entertain. I know that all cars have gotten more complex to satisfy every need under the sun. I don't like being a prisoner of the very automakers that ran the railroads out of business. With the hybrids you are a prisoner of the manufacturer. At least for a few years. We did not have an independent Lexus repair in San Diego until 18 months ago. We were prisoners to the whims and exorbitant prices that the dealers charge. When the warranty runs out, and you don't have an out, you are in deep trouble.
#2793 of 2800 Diesel gaining
Feb 15, 2005 (10:54 am)
Wallstreet Journal carries an article on a massive project in Qatar to convert Natural Gas to Diesel and this is supposed to cleaner than Oil-based Diesel.
www.greencarcongress.com has article on Finland establishing a Bio-Diesel production plant. Looks like Diesel (Cetane) is asking for 50 : 50 share in the Transport market with Gasolene / Petrol (Octane). Meanwhile there is a new player. LPG (Propane) powered vehicles are 9 million Worldwide at the end of 2002.
US should also have more Diesel powered vehicles like EU.
#2794 of 2800 Re: THE DOWNFALL OF RAILROADS WAS THE AUTO INDUSTRY & CONGRESS [railroadjames]
Feb 15, 2005 (11:20 am)
I grew up in a country that had railroad as its primary means of transportation. Let me just say that riding railroad is no fun compared to driving your own car. People want to believe in conspiracy theories; too bad, they are usually false.
#2795 of 2800 Re: What wrong turn? [ruking1]
Feb 15, 2005 (11:23 am)
Last spring my family of 5 took a similar trip across the Blue Ridge mountains of Tennessee, passed next to Greenville SC and spent a few days in Charleston. Even with our ~300lb of luggage all in the trunk we still got 53MPG average for the trip. Not my usual 58-60 but still outstanding.
If your diesel only got 48, which one is the fuel guzzler...in your own words.
Both 48 and 53 are GREAT numbers, in my opinion.
But I'd rather have the 53.
#2796 of 2800 Re: What wrong turn? [misterme]
Feb 15, 2005 (11:41 am)
Certainly Hybrid is the best in current technology. But as a fuel, Diesel has more energy / volume and is better than Gasolene.
In the near future, the order will be
Keep it up.
#2797 of 2800 Re: THE DOWNFALL OF RAILROADS WAS THE AUTO INDUSTRY & CONGRESS [railroadjames]
Feb 15, 2005 (12:18 pm)
"If the HOST "BOB" will allow me a little leeway, I'll just point out .....in 30 yrs on the railroad.. I collided with 5 pick-ups
1 Diesel fuel truck
1 Refrigerater (yea!)
and a partridge in a pear tree. Most of the vehicles were diesel powered...maybe thats why I'm PRO-HYBRID (ha-ha) "
Yes makes sense: gunning for a couple of hybrids to round out your portfolio!?
#2798 of 2800 Re: [robertsmx]
Feb 15, 2005 (12:36 pm)
Let's see, an Accord American, gets 32 and the VW Jetta TDI gets 49 mpg. Hmmm... I guess because it is in America it is totally not obvious which is the GASS GUZZLER?
And Civic Hybrid gets 51 mpg. Insight gets 68 mpg. Hmmm...
<Insert Oil burner here> <unquote>
Like I have said; more than once in a few posts, you have a deep affinity to turn everything adversarial!
What I did in the real world (irregardless of your attempt at causing artificial conflict and trying your darn est to be a burl in the saddle) was to get a Honda Civic GASSER at 29/38 mpg.
What is at issue here? COST!!! Specifically cost per mile driven. The HCH was 20,000, the Honda Civic was 12,000. for a difference of 8,000 dollars. You'd absolutely laugh at the BE points; if you were not so wedded to the adversarial fight and the higher cost concept of the hybrid! You may see this as the quest for the "holy grail" but...
So at 2 dollars currently a gal 8000 dollars will buy 144,000 miles of commuting fuel, 36 mpg which equates to 11 years of commuting at 50 miles per day R/T.
In response to ...
..."Not enough info. We don't know how fast you were driving over the Blue Ridge Mountains. You might drive like me (crawling along at 55), and the diesel owner might go 80."...
If you care to do the math, it is easy to find the average speed.
The point here was: I could have easily gotten 55- 60 mpg going at hybrid speeds.
I can even map quest the route. But as the host said folks are pretty dug in, so if you want me to confuse you with the facts, I can.
Feb 15, 2005 (12:47 pm)
Last spring my family of 5 took a similar trip across the Blue Ridge mountains of Tennessee... we still got 53MPG average for the trip. If your diesel only got 48, which one is the fuel guzzler...
Not enough info. We don't know how fast you were driving over the Blue Ridge Mountains. You might drive like me (crawling along at 55), and the diesel owner might go 80.
Feb 15, 2005 (12:48 pm)
OK, despite repeated attempts by the hosts to quell the personal attacks, some members are unable to steer clear of them. This forum is closed pending Sylvia's decision on the future of this topic.
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