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Volkswagen Passat, Diesel, Sedan
#515 of 1046 Re: 2005 Passat TDI [sebring95]
Sep 07, 2004 (7:50 am)
"You mean like they did back in 1997? LOL!! "
VW does view N. America as an important market! Unfortunately their view is not consistent with their past and current efforts here. In fact VW is losing market share in China(VW wants to sell more cars there than in Germany) and they are having a tough time with sales in Europe.
TDI Passats are among the very few hot sellers in the VW family. Now the theory they will discontinue the car next year! That sounds crazy! Even Mercedes Benz views the diesel potential positively(E320)
VW mismanagement is a global phenomena and not a N. American phenomena. VW stock market valuation has dropped the most among car makers this past year. For the first time ever Hyundai's car division has a stock market value equal to VW(this valuation definitely reflects VW mismanagement)
#516 of 1046 Re: 2005 Passat TDI [dewey]
Sep 07, 2004 (8:12 am)
Is Porsche and Audi pulled down by the same mismanagement or do they stay separate?
Sep 07, 2004 (10:35 am)
Porsche has no connections any more, at least that I know of, to VW the Corporation. Their technical collaboration continues [Toureg / Cayenne], but Porsche's management and supervisory board, I believe, are unconnected with VW's, and the corporation seems to go its own decidedly independent way.
Audi is more problematic - there are interlocking connections between supervisory board members, stock ownership, and marketing strategies, and of course shared engineering and manufacturing and suppliers.
There are still members of the Porsche extended families [including most famously, the Piech branch] who have connections and own pieces of both VW and Porsche. But these two entities are managed completely independently - that is not true with Audi and VW, which are still joined at the hip in most important respects.
#518 of 1046 Re: TDIs in Central Texas [texasdoc]
Sep 07, 2004 (11:47 am)
I have a 05 TDI Wagon on order since June, Dealer said it should be here in 2 weeks but VW
Will not confirm the date, what is the port of entry? Thanks for any Info. Rick
#519 of 1046 Re: Management [jrct9454]
Sep 07, 2004 (1:58 pm)
True, Porsche is a fully independent company.
Audi is a part of VW and is doing quite well. After Phaeton, I can only hope that VW will discontinue making premium priced VWs that cater to the Audi market.
That is one crazy strategy---Invest billions in order to design premium VW vehicles that are similar to Vw's most profitable division(Audi) .
This is the most intentional Cannibalization strategy I have ever seen.
Anyway despite my complaints, I am still dreaming of buying the new version of a Passat Wagon TDI with manual sometime in 06. I guess I will have to immigrate to Germany in order to accomplish that.(I believe there would be future warranty problems if I bought a model in Germany that does not exist in N. America)
#520 of 1046 Re: TDIs in Central Texas [atf]
Sep 08, 2004 (8:44 am)
Port of entry? There are multiple ports depending on location. What is your location?
#522 of 1046 Re: TDIs in Central Texas [moparbad]
Sep 08, 2004 (4:38 pm)
You are right, I found out it will come in at Brunswick GA.
#524 of 1046 Re: TDIs in Central Texas [atf]
Sep 10, 2004 (7:10 pm)
Interesting, as Houston is a major port of entry for VW.
We picked up our '05 GLS wagon yesterday that was ordered as an '04 in March. We got 1800 below MSRP which was supposed to be 500 over invoice. Lots of folks are paying sticker, or more, and are spoiling it for the rest of us. I've never paid sticker for a vehicle and wouldn't have owned this one if I had to pay it.
Sure glad I was able to make a deal as this is a SWEET vehicle.