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BMW 3 Series, Sedan
#5931 of 7013 Re: On Performance [shipo]
Mar 30, 2006 (2:22 pm)
I'm trying to think... When in 3-Series history was it the quickest car from zero to sixty in its class?
BMWs have never been about the best "numbers". Rather, it's the fact that BMW combines great performance and comfort in one package. The truth is, BMWs weren't really known for being all that quick until the E36 M3 came along in 1994. From 1992-1995 I ran a chipped and desmogged E24 M6, which made around 310 hp at the crank. I can't tell you how many Corvette, Mustang GT, Trans Am, and Z28 owners thought my 6er was just another slow BMW-until I blew their doors off. Ditto for the twin turbo Nissan Z-cars and Toyota Supras. In fact, the only Stoplight Grand Prix invitation I declined was from the driver of a 1994 911 Turbo; I knew I couldn't vanquish that panzer..
#5932 of 7013 Re: On Performance [jmaroun]
Mar 30, 2006 (2:27 pm)
mentioned the word speed in all of my posts. Top speed is %$ to me. This the United States..we have no autoban unfortunately.
You know very well when I'm mocking your speed comments I'm talking about this silly obsession with 0-60 and 1/4 miles and the like. And you know, I live in San Diego...I've never found it very hard to locate long open stretches where you can bring a car into the 120s, 130s, etc - like I-15 to Vegas or I-5 to Sac/SF.
I did mention 0-60 time as it is indeed an important performance metric.
I think it's important to be sub 7 seconds, no doubt. But after that, well, you're really not going to see a big difference between 6 and 5.4 seconds. Especially as one missed shift in a manual drags it past 6 anyway.
For 0-60 time, BMW sufferes. This is a fact.
How does it suffer? 0-60 in a 330 and even 325i is ~6 seconds. That's right in line with everyone but Lexus' IS350.
I believe that the older BMW's used to have a more masculine low-end torque character.
Uh, no. My 330i Perf Pack has different gearing, headers, ecu, etc from a 330i SP and it'll romp to 60 a good 3 tenths faster than an e46 330i or even e90 330i.
Of course, 0-60 isn't everything in a car. THAT is why other performance numbers should be considered..such as lateral g force, braking distance,
And BMW matches and most often beats all the competition in those areas.
Lateral g force and braking distance numbers are probably the only numbers BMW can claim to have the higher standard on, other than their HIGH PRICES of course.
High prices? My 06 330i e90 (leather, sport, comfort access, pdc) was $35,700 (I pick it up April 6 in Munich). A comparable IS350 ~39-40k - plus a good 2k in maintenance over 3 years and it's less fun to drive. G35 would be about 33k but maintenance and a G35 isn't as refined, it's large and has twitchy handling tendencies.
Keep it objective.
It's not an objective decision. There's nothing objective about car buying...especially in the luxury market. The cars are about feel and desire...not need. Comparing a Civic to a Mazda3 even comes down to subjective things.
Numbers mean ZIP when it comes to passion and fun. The past few days I've been doing some work at a company in East County. A few times a day I was whipping down remote, curvy, hilly roads with posted corners that read 35. I far exceeded that number (by at least double in most cases). I can't quantify how much driving out there in my e46 is worth to me. Pretty much priceless. That's why I opted for the car. The sticker, the 0-60, the badge...it meant nothing. The way that car feels when pressed on a track or even just on simple on-ramps: nothing under 50k can compare to it, imho.
I'll let you know how my e90 subjectively feels on the autobahn next week. I'm pretty sure it won't be a disappointment.
#5933 of 7013 335Ci Turbo - 306 HP!
Mar 30, 2006 (5:47 pm)
Looks like this model in coupe form is going to happen. Would be nice to get this engine in the new hardtop convertible as well. Never satisfied I guess. The ALMOST Ultimate Driving Machine!
#5934 of 7013 Re: 335Ci Turbo - 306 HP! [manybmws]
Mar 30, 2006 (7:37 pm)
I find it odd that that EXACT hp output is identical to the IS350.
I initially heard that it would be a 3.0L with twin turbos (sequential), but now on edmunds it states it will be a 3.5L TT with 306hp.
Keeping the same hp/l output, the 3.0L should be making 300hp at 3.5L; the low end torque looks impressive though.
Mar 31, 2006 (4:53 am)
"I initially heard that it would be a 3.0L with twin turbos (sequential), but now on edmunds it states it will be a 3.5L TT with 306hp. "
All due respect to Edmunds, BMW has announced (Geneva) the twin turbo 3.0L 6 - though they have not publicly announced what cars it will be in. They have not announced a 3.5L 6.
So - my bet would be on a 3.0L TT with 300+ HP labeled as: 335ci (maybe a 335i 4-dr, I hope) for 2007.
Watching & waiting . . .
#5936 of 7013 Re: 335 [rayainsw]
Mar 31, 2006 (8:51 am)
I just received CAR and DRIVER May issue. page 28-29 has 335I Pictures,specs and all. Twin Turbo, Direct Injection, 302 HP, 295 Lbs Torque
#5937 of 7013 Re: 335 [owner6]
Mar 31, 2006 (9:00 am)
Is this for Europe? Has any of this been confirmed for North America, or is it all speculation for this side of the Atlantic?
Mar 31, 2006 (11:09 am)
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Mar 31, 2006 (11:26 am)
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