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#1293 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [shipo]
Mar 07, 2005 (7:06 am)
"Given a little shopping, I suspect one could find a dealership that will offer a small discount"
Absoulutely correct! I managed to only get a 3% discount on my 99 323i during August 1998. That 3% is nothing to boast about, but when I placed the order there was a 3 month waiting list.
Dont let a BMW sales rep make you feel like his doing you a real big favor by allocating you on a waiting list at full MSRP . Dont feel awkward about asking for a discount.
#1294 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [shipo]
Mar 07, 2005 (8:13 am)
Ditto. Thanks to this board in Spring 99 I was able to get INVOICE on my E46 with carsdirect.com. What was that guys name from KY Shipo ?
Mar 07, 2005 (8:16 am)
If uve been a member of BMWCCA for a year you are eligible for 500 on the 3er and 1k on the 5er unless that has changed.
#1296 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [dl7265]
Mar 07, 2005 (8:40 am)
If I'm not mistaken, his name was/is Frank Rizzo, known for the "Rizzo Method" of E-Mailing/Faxing all dealerships within a given radius and offering a fixed price above invoice.
A bit of background; back in 1998 when both Frank and I were looking to replace our then current mounts (mine was a 1995 VR6 Passat GLX 5-Speed), we were both looking to get a 1999 Passat GLX 5-Speed, however, VWoA in their infinite wisdom cancelled the manual transmission for that model year (after offering it in 1998 and again in 2000 (I think)). He and I were both incensed, so much so that I wrote letters to both VWoA and VW in Germany, to no avail. :-/
Given that I've never learned to drive an automatic transmission (that's a joke son), I was forced to look further a field. When I inquired about the new E46 328i at my local BMW dealership I was shocked to find that the monthly lease price was something like $10 more per month in spite of the ~$8,000 price difference! When I pointed this out in a post here in the TownHall, Frank immediately shifted his sights to the E46, and in the end, procured one as well.
Interestingly enough, VWoA is at it again. The next generation (B6?) Passat GLX (or whatever the high end model will be called) will once again not be available with three pedals when it reached our shores sometime later this year. What's up with that?
#1297 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [shipo]
Mar 07, 2005 (8:51 am)
In my opinion, tt's laziness within this country not to drive a sports sedan like a sports sedan - with a mannual transmission. When I was test driving cars during my spare time (i.e. before my wife moved in with me), I was shocked at how many dealerships lacked stock with a mannual transmission (Mercedes, Acura, and BMW to name a few).
I am shocked that Audi is shooting themselves in the foot by taking away their mannual in the A6 and the new A4 (specifically the 3.2L). That's why the new E90 is rapidly becoming more attractive to me and has become my number one target to get.
#1298 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [bigpapaluke]
Mar 07, 2005 (9:08 am)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that laziness is a huge factor in the decline of the manual gearbox in this country. Having said that, I have always maintained that given the "Keep up with the Joneses" mentality here in the U.S. that there was only one sure fire way of making folks want a Stick Shift more than an Automatic transmission, simply, make the Manual transmission an EXTRA COST OPTION! Gasp, what am I saying? Relax, hear me out, I have told this story here at Edmunds before, however, I think it's relevant once again.
In the mid 1980s there was a period where the only 5-Series available here in the U.S. was the anemic 525e, which, if I remember correctly, was a low HP peak, high torque (relatively speaking) motor, and not too much fun to drive. BMW finally got the message that the "e" motors were not very well received by the enthusiast crowd (although another friend of mine (who considered himself an enthusiast) with a 325e was very proud of his), so they started offering the 533i, with an honest to God, high revving BMW motor in it (I am giving BMW the benefit of the doubt, thinking that maybe some old Rambler I6 motors were put in the "e" cars by accident ).
I was on a business trip to Los Angeles shortly after the 533i was released, and much to my delight, a friend of mine who I had made lunch plans with, showed up in his brand spanking new Black/Black 533i 5-Speed. This car was fully decked out with every other option that BMW offered on said car, and when I came out of my clients' office, he simply tossed me the keys and said, "Let's go!" Needless to say, "Away we went". I drove up to the "Valley" and then down Mulholland Highway into the town of Malibu. Wow, what a great car that was, easily as great as the 525e was mediocre.
Once in Malibu, we found the restaurant that he wanted to take me to, and as we were turning into the parking lot, there, right in front of us was another brand new Black 5er, however, this one was a 525e (further examination revealed this to be a 525eA). The lady driving said 525e parked, and I parked right next to her, and as we were all getting out of our cars, she looked over at me with a very haughty, disapproving look, deliberately walked past the 533i giving it a quick once over in the process, turned to me and said, "[Sniff!] Couldn't you afford the Automatic?" My friend and I were so stunned that all we could do was laugh at her, so hard in fact that we almost fell to the ground. Wow did my stomach and smile muscles hurt after that.
Anyway, long story short, if the auto manufacturers make the manual transmission an extra cost option, then folks couldn’t say "Yep, I got her fully loaded, every option", unless they popped for the third pedal as well.
#1299 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [bigpapaluke]
Mar 07, 2005 (9:09 am)
New A4 3.2 will offer a manual in the 2006 model which is slated for this fall.
#1300 of 7013 Great story, shipo...
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Mar 07, 2005 (9:20 am)
But, I think that 5-series model was called the 528e, even though it had the same engine as the 325e..
A friend of mine bought an 87 325e for his wife (it only said 325 on the rear.. that is how maligned the "e" had become, by that time), with the automatic.. Even though it had the handling of a BMW, it was worse than anemic.. I had a girlfriend with a '79 320i, 4-cyl, 5-speed, and it could dust that 325e with the automatic..
I always told my friend that the motor in his wife's BMW was outsourced to Allis-Chalmers..
#1301 of 7013 Re: Great story, shipo... [kyfdx]
Mar 07, 2005 (9:25 am)
You are probably correct as I never really paid too much attention to the "e" cars.
"I always told my friend that the motor in his wife's BMW was outsourced to Allis-Chalmers."
Hmmm, I didn't know that Allis-Chalmers built engines for Ramblers.
#1302 of 7013 Re: Pricing Mystery!!!!!!!!!!!!! [shipo]
Mar 07, 2005 (10:43 am)
Tranny-I may end up going to a marriage counselor, because of the stick vs. auto debate. I think it's a godsend to have the new 6speed standard, but the wife "can't" drive the manual. I was hoping to compromise with the SMG, but that's on hold till September.
Pricing-You guys are probably right about the discounts available to clever shoppers. If you work at it, it should be possible. I am probably lazy.