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Pontiac GTO, Coupe
#3872 of 4353 Re: GTO gone end of September [charts2]
Feb 21, 2006 (11:45 am)
Not too shocking since GM said all along that this car would only be a 3 yr project here, 2004-2006. If there were to be a 2007 it would be an all new car on an all new chassis.
“There are some changes in the federal regulatory standards. One is an airbag deployment standard that would require some very expensive re-engineering of the car,” says Jim Hopson, Pontiac spokesman. “Since the architecture of this car is being phased out around the world it’s not economically feasible to continue this car.”
#3873 of 4353 Re: Shift eliminator ... installation? [coreseller]
Feb 21, 2006 (6:20 pm)
thanks for the information. still not sure if i want a stick or auto. like the better gas milage, but hate to sit in traffic shifting, shifting, etc. etc.
#3874 of 4353 Re: Shift eliminator ... installation? [roadrunner70]
Feb 22, 2006 (6:33 am)
Stick all the way - fun outweighs the disadvantages.
#3875 of 4353 Re: GTO gone end of September [carlots101]
Feb 22, 2006 (7:34 am)
There is probably a lot of truth in what the Pontiac spokesman said. I really like the GTO the only real problem it had was the price, it was just priced out of reach of the people who would have wanted it. This happens a lot with GM cars, They will blame the slow sales on the lack of "retro" design cues or the bland styling, but in truth, a car with the GTO's impressive performance credentials will sell itself if the price is right. For the GTO the "right" price would have been the low to mid 20's that's can be 5 to 7 thousand dollars lower than it is priced. As for the retro styling, that may have helped it, but lets face it the original GTO is pretty bland looking as it was. And retro styling alone doesn't sell cars, look at the Thunderbird do they even make that anymore??? It's a beautiful car but , the price was too high and it just never really took off like one would have hoped. I don't think retro styling alone would have helped the GTO, They really needed to work on the price. The Mustang is retro styled but it's also AFFORDABLE. you can actually get a V8 powered Mustang for nearly $5,000 less than a V8 GTO.
#3876 of 4353 GTO/stshepard
Feb 22, 2006 (9:02 am)
The GTO was not produced for the masses. It was made for Pontiac enthusiasts who wanted performance. 400 hp Corvette engine with large wheels and a sporty interior. If a 3.9 V6 was offered with 16" wheels/tires then you could have probably got one for mid 20s. The Mustang that is $5,000 less did not have a 400 hp engine.
#3877 of 4353 Re: GTO gone end of September [stshepard]
Feb 23, 2006 (1:52 pm)
It is interesting for me that people found it expensive. They don't seem to find a Suburu expensive or an Infiniti G35. I was in Australia recently and the base model price was US$45k and with the 6.0 L LS2 US$60k (with some additional equipment). When I compare the stats I have a V8 coupe as fast as an Aston Martin. In the US we are lucky our cars are so cheap. Before I bought the GTO I sat in a Mustang. They are worlds apart in the interior. I still think it is great value.
#3878 of 4353 Re: Shift eliminator ... installation? [bigdaddycoats]
Feb 23, 2006 (6:18 pm)
drove a 2006 last night. stick. very smooth shifter, much smoother than the 2004. and of course, better milage. i did experience the shift skipper. at very slow acceleration, it forced me to go to 3rd from 1st. a little light went on on the dash. i little annoying but with all that torque, skipping 3rd could be easy.
very nice dash, great seats, good radio, but the trunk?
still waiting for the spring to see if better deals come along.
#3879 of 4353 Re: GTO gone end of September [monarofan]
Feb 24, 2006 (7:25 am)
Subarus and G35s are a lot more practical, you see them everywhere, and are heavily advertised. No one knows GTO is made in Australia, and if they do, how's that different from Korea or Slovakia for that matter. It's all about perception and Pontiacs are not exactly known for their residuals and reliability. Knowing it’s an Aussie car can even be a deterrent for an average Pontiac Sunfire or GrandAm buyer can't afford to drop +$30K on a two-door car with a big engine. The ones who can afford to will mostly choose BMW or Infinity because those are sophisticated but also familiar brands with great reputations and will get their friends' stamp of approval... That's the truth and that's why GTOs sell at 10K units/year to a unique group of buyers in-the-know.
If you want to see expensive cars, check out some countries in Europe, especially Denmark - Australia pales in comparison. For an average American who thinks Mexico is to the North (45%), and New York is our capital (30%), knowing what them foreigners pay is meaningless We don't have an extensive social support network and our healthcare is not free, so our stuff can and should be cheaper.
I'm not happy with Pontiac's awful service and parts availability to say the least but if there are some nice rebates and GM card promotions in December I will go for another GTO. Otherwise, it's a Honda Pilot or Mazda6 station wagon for me... Much more practical and I won't have to negotiate with my wife
#3880 of 4353 Re: GTO gone end of September [cracovian]
Feb 24, 2006 (12:34 pm)
I'm going to assume that Subaru is the WRX Sti. Even so, I wouldn't put a G35 on the same level.
I beleive the Commodor/Monaro is a more upscale line. As someone pointed out to me the Monaro in Australia is very well optioned. Even in US trim its still pretty well outfitted. Some content was probably not provided in order to keep the price down. Still, I suspect GM lost money on the car.
As to the GTO only selling 10K/yr this is more due to the absolute dis-interest (and disarray) at GM more than anything else. When Ford announced the new Mustang I think GM felt they had to do something for a short time. Bob Lutz led the effort but the only thing available was the Holden that could come close to the expected price of the Mustang. GM had no other rear drive platform in NA (and still doesn't) that would have been cost effective.
It seems that the GTO was only meant to fill a gap until some kind of replacement could be developed. Now its ending and there is no replacement except on the far horizon. GM is still in disarray, maybe even more so now. And they are still appear to be confused on if/when/what the rear-drive/front-drive model mix is really going to be. Just that the answer is somewhere over the rainbow.
#3881 of 4353 single stage or dual stage air bags
Feb 26, 2006 (1:19 pm)
does the gto have dual stage air bags. it seems unlikly that gm would pull the standard dual stage monaro air bags and install single stage units. can anyone confirm that the gto's air bags are dual stage. this would be appreciated. thanks.