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Pontiac GTO, Coupe
#3769 of 4353 Re: Any advantage to 2006? [sakinosh]
Jan 21, 2006 (10:46 pm)
Interesting that your list does not include the "illuminated steering wheel radio controls" line item that I found on the media.gm.com website here: http://media.gm.com/us/pontiac/en/product_services/r_cars/r_c_gto/index.html
And, the list at that website does not mention the "Extra power outlet under radio" nor the "Faster seat motor" items you mentioned.
I consider the "rough idle" during hot weather a problem, as well as the less than optimal power in the A4's, and the bushings that lose their fluid under heavy-to-extreme braking. I don't know if there are other issues with the LS2 (for example, premature internal wear, etc.) that have not yet shown up in consumer cars but may be known to GM due to ongoing testing.
BTW, I'm disappointed in the 2006 pricing. While they reduced the MSRP $1005, the dealer invoice price appears to have dropped a mere $304, meaning we really won't be able to buy the '06 for less than the '05 from the dealers. Also don't forget that since '06 is the "last year" of this run, and there will be no '07 model, some dealers may decide to hold on to the end of their '06's (later this year) until they get the price they want.
#3770 of 4353 Re: Interested in Purchase [privetotruski]
Jan 22, 2006 (10:12 am)
I'm using the updated Predator performance tune (sent mine back in last May to be upgraded, so it's a more recent tune). When I do some performance mods, I'll have RWTD (Running With The Devil) do a custom tune...
#3771 of 4353 Re: Any advantage to 2006? [rcc442]
Jan 22, 2006 (10:20 am)
"rough idle" in hot weather is a problem I've only heard of on white6's car. They don't all have that problem.
Less than optimal power on the A4 is a function of the tune on the car (and torque management). These are easily disabled or adjusted. Don't forget, M6 owners get the lovely "skip-shift" function until it's disabled. The radius rod bushings do seem to be a significant issue, which leads to alignment issues, which leads to strut rub. I'll be buying the upgraded bushings and getting my alignment checked when I pull my car out in a month and a half.
As to buying the '06 versus the '05, dealers got a final payout of $2500 on the '05's, so you should be able to get one for significantly less than an '06 (I was under impression that only the MSRP dropped on the '06's, not the dealer invoice). The improvements from '05 to '06 aren't as significant as from '04 to '05 - unless you want one of the '06-only colors (Spice Red, Brazen Orange). GM has not released production goals for the '06, but, given that there will be no '07, and they'll be building GTO's only (the Monaro and Vauxhall VXR are done) until at least June, maybe end of August (no later than that, though, since the current model won't meet FMVSS specs as of September 1), there may be cars sitting on dealer lots into next year.
#3772 of 4353 Re: Any advantage to 2006? [rcc442]
Jan 22, 2006 (8:56 pm)
The pricing of the gto is irrelevent. They lowered msrp,not invoice. Who pays msrp anyhow? I got my '06 red/red m6 w/ 18" wheels toward the end of last november. With their redtag promotion and a $500 auto show discount, I got it for around $30,600, plus shipping and a $40 doc fee.
Outside of a bad head unit, no problems with it.I got some hotchkiss sway bars in the garage that I am dieing to get installed though.
In one GTO forum, a dealer claimed that he is getting an additional 20 cars for his yearly allocation, making it around 55 cars, with the last being delivered in June. Also, I read that they will be increasing production for feb/march. They could stop around that time. Remember, they need tine to retool the factory for the next Holden model.
#3773 of 4353 Re: Any advantage to 2006? [hammen2]
Jan 22, 2006 (10:01 pm)
Thanks; you have put my mind more at ease. I knew the C6 'vette had early problems (from the C6 forum: "The majority of the C6 problems occurred with the first 6000 or so 05s. As the model year went on GM made changes and the 06s should be more reliable than the 05s."); I wasn't sure if the same was true of the '05 GTO.
Thanks also for the info about the final payout to dealers; that was the piece of the pricing puzzle I was still missing. I didn't realize the line will be GTO-only; if GM overproduces, then I suppose there very well may be incentives at then end of '06. It comes down to whether I want to try to sell the '96 Impala SS myself and wait for more substantial incentives on the '06, or trade it in now on an '05. (No one has a crystal ball; if there won't be customer rebates of $2000 or more at the end of '06, it may be better to trade now; otherwise it might be worth it to take the time to sell the Impala myself. Given GM has publicly stated it wants to curtail rebates...)
#3774 of 4353 Re: Any advantage to 2006? [dclark2]
Jan 22, 2006 (10:10 pm)
Who pays msrp anyhow?
Unfortunately, I live in South Florida, and the dealers here tend to hold out as long as they can for top dollar. They all post their own "premium" stickers to start above MSRP. It wasn't until the "Employee Price for Everyone" and the "Red Tag Event" that we finally got decent deals here. That's why, while I would prefer to buy an '06 in Sept or so, I don't trust that, without a GM program of some sort, it will be possible to crack a fair deal here. And, if GM is serious about trying to reduce/eliminate rebates in favor of lowering MSRPs, the out-the-door price of '06's here may be substantially more than a left-over '05 now...
#3775 of 4353 keepthe impala
Jan 22, 2006 (11:11 pm)
"It comes down to whether I want to try to sell the '96 Impala SS myself and wait for more substantial incentives on the '06, or trade it in now on an '05."
You might be surprised to find that that the resell value of the Impala has dropped in the last few years. You might as well keep it ( my wife has been driving my '96 Impala to work everyday, even with that junky front drivers panal!)
#3776 of 4353 Re: Any advantage to 2006? [rcc442]
Jan 23, 2006 (9:56 am)
rcc442...the Pontiac website has a list of standard features for the '06. Here you'll see the (2) power outlets located on the console and "supposedly" the "increased travel speed for rear entry." Not really sure how much they are increased and it would be nice to hear if people have noticed a significant difference.
The bushings would definitely be an issue for me, but small price to pay and it sounds like the "skip shift" is fixable - so now my only real issue is "Cyclone Gray or Spice Red?!!" I'm just torn.
#3777 of 4353 roberthammen
Jan 23, 2006 (10:17 am)
I had missed this $2500 payout on '05s.
What are the total incentives then?
Is it $2,000 + a possible $2500 from the dealer for a total of $4500.
Thanks in advance.
#3778 of 4353 Re: roberthammen [b4z]
Jan 23, 2006 (5:32 pm)
Customer rebate on the 2005 is now $2500, and as I understand from Robert's post, the dealers have received $2500 for any remaining, unsold 2005's. However, you would probably not get a dealer to admit receiving the $2500, and it's up to him how much he will sell the car to you for (in other words, how much lower he'll go in price, knowing that he has just received $2500 from GM). Don't make the mistake of believing that $2500 is something the dealer is going to "give" you... he's still out to make as much as he can from each sale. So, he can now brag that he can sell one to you "at invoice!", when in fact, he'd still be making $2500 + his hold-back!
(We'll let Robert clarify...)