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#3398 of 4353 Re: Times Square, NO GTO advertising, G6/GXP/Solstice! [crox]
Sep 08, 2005 (10:52 am)
The problem is that Pontiac NEVER really advertised the new improvements to the 2005. Only in magazines etc once in a while. Certainly not on TV. 2005 wasn't much more $$ then 2004.
In addition to the hood scoops are the red painted calipers and new rear fascia/dual chrome exhaust.
However the most noticeable improvements to the 2005 GTO are the ones you don't see, under the hood. 50 more hp, 40 more torque on the bigger V8 and bigger brakes! Car now stops 20 feet shorter from 70mph.
Where did you read that Pontiac sales are up 48% this year? G6 GTP coupe is nice for $25k, but GTO is better if you can afford it, quality/interior etc.
#3399 of 4353 Re: Times Square, NO GTO advertising, G6/GXP/Solstice! [musclecars4me]
Sep 08, 2005 (11:49 am)
Regarding the advertising -
Remember that even a very CHEAP ad campaign (TV ads and some print media) can very quickly exceed $10 million.
For 12,000 cars (expected '05 sales), a 12million dollar ad campaign equates to $1000 worth of advertising per '05 GTO sold. This is why you see ad campaigns for stuff like the G6 where GM can spread the cost out over a much larger # of projected sales.
Would you guys have happily paid another $1k just to have the GTO advertised heavier? And for what? They'll sell all the '05 GTO's they planned to import so why boost the advertising?
#3400 of 4353 Re: Times Square, NO GTO advertising, G6/GXP/Solstice! [crox]
Sep 08, 2005 (12:00 pm)
The reason that there is little GTO advertising is that it is a low volume, low profit margin vehicle. Why spend the bucks to advertise when the bottom line return is minimal? The GTO was to be Pontiac's halo car. I'm not sure how successful it was at bringing people into the dealer. Pontiac's overall sales are down for the year by 10.6%.
The new Pontiac halo car is the Solstice. Another low volume vehicle. Other than the appearance on "The Apprentice" I haven't seen much advertising for it. I have heard that dealers are asking more than msrp for them (see '04 GTO). How's that for a huge effect on potential buyers?
Regarding GTO sales, YTD 8419 cars sold compared with 5551 last year, a gain of 51.7%. However, a significant portion of those were leftover '04s sold during '05. Plus they cut production to 12K cars total from about 16K last year. August sales were down 35.7% and now it's back on the employee discount program. I'd be willing to bet there will be '05s still for sale when the '06s hit in January (and maybe a few brand new '04s still available too).
As far as an alternative to the G6, I'd go with an Acura RSX or a Scion tC for my $25K.
#3401 of 4353 red calipers / busted radio / half-rear-bumper / side turn signals?
Sep 08, 2005 (4:30 pm)
i do like the red calipers! pal at work was inspired to paint his minicooper calipers red after seeing my 05 goat. the fake hood scoops constantly annoy me however. i'm going to get a quote from body shop for a 2004 hood, painted & installed, and maybe a quote for removing the GTO badges on the side & bondo-ing. or maybe installing the aussie side-turn-signals there. that would be the coolest. (or are they just reflectors?) oh avatar hammen2, you will know whether there is already wiring there for those lights, ya ? they are turn signals down under, right? i guess the service dept would have to do part of the work if it was installing side turn signals.
i've been driving around without the bottom half of the rear bumper for a couple weeks now - dealer body shop has been unable to obtain an undamaged replacement. i talked to them today and said i'd actually prefer the holden piece which doesn't say "GTO" but would take whichever piece they could get first. i haven't paid them for the repairs, but then again the repairs are not 100% complete either. i told them i'd give them credit card # on the phone on the spot but they declined - they are treating me just fine.
i think the "half rear bumper" look might have contributed to me getting pulled over by an unmarked statey over the weekend. of course, my driving style was a factor too but no citation - that makes me 5 for 5 in my home state.
dealer has replacement radio for me. hopefully that will fix the absence of AM radio reception. they already replaced antenna modulator. service cat told me if the new radio doesn't fix it, they'll have to replace the whole coax cable next. if that doesn't work, yuck, what next - new rear window? ugh. replacing glass is tough to do perfectly, especially difficult to do as good as the holden factory i guess.
also the left windshield sprayer has stopped working. it was a bit "off" since day 1.
as for the advertising, i think i've stated previously that it's a no-brainer, if i was chief GM marketeer i wouldn't spend a dime advertising GTO. all the GTOs will sell themselves sooner or later, no matter the price per gallon of gas.
#3402 of 4353 Re: red calipers / busted radio / half-rear-bumper / side turn signals? [elias]
Sep 08, 2005 (4:53 pm)
Oh avatar hammen2, you will know whether there is already wiring there for those lights, ya ?
Side markers, including sockets and bulbs: approximately $75 + $12 s & h from jhp.com.au. Or, check ebay.com.au for deals (but not as fast shipping/prompt service). I haven't done this myself, but understand it's very easy. From someone who has: "Run 2 wires under the fender plastic trim (in loom) and tap into the orange markers in the front bumper. Both now light up when signaling and when the alarm is activated."
Geoff can also send you that blank Monaro piece - for $262 shipped from Australia, ouch.
As for getting pulled over, must be the season. My plates expired in August - sent in the renewal early last week - well, last Friday I was MMOB (right lane, cruise control on, doing the exact speed limit) when I got pulled over 5 minutes away from my house (first police incident in about 9 years). Pulled me over for expired registration. Got a "fix it" ticket and have to have proof in 10 days to make it go away. Only problem is that I checked with the state DMV, and, due to a new computer system, they are backlogged - presently processing renewals sent in on July 21 - oops.
Gotta go plead my case to the cops (still have my duplicate check for proof, thankfully),
#3403 of 4353 Re: red calipers / busted radio / half-rear-bumper / side turn signals? [ha
Sep 09, 2005 (2:45 am)
thanks for the info, hammen2. i shouldn't have boasted on the "5 for 5"! KARMA TIME. my stats got worse this morning, even though i'm still 5 for 5 in my home state. oh well, i deserved it! the goat needs to go back to the dealer for a while anyway - even beyond that i think i'm going to park and drive the TDI for a while... :| :| :| well, i think i'll order those side-markers from down under now...
ps - from what i saw on insurance paperwork & from talking to body shop, the USA rear bumper piece which says "gto" costs about the same as the holden/non-gto piece. i'll just go with whatever the dealer comes up with... hmm, maybe it would help if i removed all the GTO badges and put on TDI badges. :|
#3404 of 4353 hood scoops not fake [elias)
Sep 09, 2005 (4:26 am)
The hood scoops are NOT fake. They actually work by helping to vent air into LS2/engine compartment. There is a thermal picture somewhere on www.ls1gto.com that shows them working. I personally like them much better then the slick hood of the 2004, car stands out more, my opinioin. I wouldn't pay extra $$ to replace the hood unless it was damaged, same with GTO badges on side.
Sep 09, 2005 (10:34 am)
"As far as an alternative to the G6, I'd go with an Acura RSX or a Scion tC for my $25K. "
OMG, you really think the RSX or TC is an alternative to the G6???
The meybe the base g6, but even with the base you get a much higher class of car than the TC and the GTP version which is about 25K blows both of these cars out of the water!
The Pontiac G6 GTP has 240hp, the TC has 160, the RSX has 200. The pontiac also has alot of chrome on the interrior, im willing to bet it is more roomy that either TC or RSX, and in general you get more car with the G6.
I could understand you said an Accord or Altima, but TC and RSX? I'm suprised they are in the same planet.
Guys, so whats going on for 2008? Is there still a GTO?
#3406 of 4353 Re: midwesttrader [exalteddragon1]
Sep 09, 2005 (10:46 am)
Guys, so whats going on for 2008? Is there still a GTO?
The current model GTO will stop production no later than August of next year, maybe sooner (its Monaro counterpart ends production at the end of December). It can't be continued in North America because it doesn't meet 2007 MY crash standards.
GM is still trying to figure out what they are going to do with respect to a next-generation GTO (i.e. what platform to use or develop, where to build it). The platform codes GMX-282 and GMX-284 have been tentatively assigned to a next-generation GTO and Grand Prix/G8, respectively, and I believe that a product manager/VLE (Vehicle Line Executive) has been assigned. The inside info still calls this a 2008-2009 model year vehicle, though I think it's more likely it will be a 2009 model than a 2008.
The rumor was that the next-gen would be built on Zeta, in Australia, alongside a next-gen Monaro, but the inclusion of the presumably higher-volume Grand Prix/G8 (sharing the same styling, chassis, and powertrain options) may scuttle that. As an aside, this is why the rumor of a "four door" or "suicide door" GTO started, when in fact it's a separately-named vehicle.
I have no clue if we'll see any concept cars or prototypes at NAIAS in January - the rumor is that a Camaro concept will be shown there. Follow the example of the Solstice - it was a show car in 2002, and now 3 1/2 years later it finally appears, on a new platform. Figure it's going to be difficult for GM to do something similar (Camaro or GTO) in much less than that timeframe...
#3407 of 4353 Re: hood scoops not fake [elias) [musclecars4me]
Sep 10, 2005 (6:38 am)
muscle4you dude, let's agree to disagree re the hood "scoops". they are designed to look like intake scoops. yet they are not actual intake scoops. they are vents. if they were designed to look like vents instead of scoops i might not call them fake. as they are , i still think they are fake. but hey, maybe that's just me and that ex-nascar driver who think so. if the placebo effect makes you think they make your goat faster, all the better for you. i know they don't do jack squat to make mine faster. their only benefit would be that the engine could remain a little cooler if i was sitting in a long line of cars staging for a drag race, that sort of thing. or at a stoplight, maybe they keep the engine from getting quite as hot. in other words, they are vents. and i think it's lame that they look like scoops. personally i'd much rather have the stealth of a smooth hood. oh well, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. enjoy your goat.
ps - any one of yall live on a mountain? how about license plate: MTNGOAT ! ?