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#2950 of 4353 Re: GTO problems [hammen2]
Jun 12, 2005 (8:53 am)
Interested in your experience "exchanging" your GTO. I have just recently taken my 2005 GTO back to the dealership for the 4th time in two months. Same problem each time.... loss of power, CEL on, dealership unable to fix. They have taken the accelerator pedal off of other GTO's in stock and the problem continues. GM-Pontiac seems unsure of how they are supposed to handle this claim as they first directed me to the BBB-Autoline. Then they were incredulous that the BBB had sent them a report without me telling them first. In the mean time, I continue to make payments on a car that's been in the dealer's garage more than in mine.
I not only will insist on a replacement, I am asking for the current "employee discount price" that is in effect as compensation for my dissatisfaction.
#2951 of 4353 Re: GTO problems [gotmygoat]
Jun 12, 2005 (10:48 am)
Sounds like you are a victim of a poor service department - one that needs to call GM TAC. I know they are aware of a pedal problem relating to the drive-by-wire system on some '05's - new parts have been designed, and are in testing. Your dealership should know this, or call for help. Once they get this issue resolved, your car should be fine. (This is not at all like the situation with my car, where the firewall was improperly assembled - dealership fixed that, but messed up the suspension on my car, as well as many other things. That car was never going to be right without changing out almost all of the suspension components, and I shouldn't have to accept that for a problem caused by the dealership in the first couple of months of ownership).
Send me an email (my contact info is in my profile) and I can get you a phone number for GM Executive Relations. You need to emphasize to them the inconvenience this situation has caused you, and the hassle of taking the vehicle back 4 times. My guess is they will offer you either free maintenance or extend your warranty for some time. Good luck on pushing for the difference in price - when my buyback happened, it was in the middle of the December GTO "fire sale" - I got a new car, but no difference in incentives
#2952 of 4353 Re: GTO problems [gotmygoat]
Jun 12, 2005 (11:27 am)
Some more info on your problem.
There are 2 throttle position sensors on the pedal assembly... and it seems there are some intermittent failures with these sensors. When one of them "drops off", the BCM (Body Control Module) throws a SES light (code P2138), and the car drops into "reduced power" mode. Sometimes, you can make this problem go away by stopping the car in a safe area, turning it off, then turning it back on - this somehow resets the "stuck" sensor. Makes one think Microsoft had something to do with this design
There is a service bulletin on this issue. The original part for the pedal assembly is 92067194 - I believe the new part number is 92183442. The new part was "supposed to" be done by the middle of this month - have your dealership contact GM TAC and inquire about the availability of this redesigned part.
Hope this helps,
--Robert (GTO geek
#2953 of 4353 Re: GTO problems [hammen2]
Jun 12, 2005 (4:07 pm)
GTO Geek? More like GTO Guru. I'm aware of the two sensors and yes I have shut it off and turned it on. It fires back up regardless of the wait time between stop and start, goes 100 ft to 1/2 mile and fails again. Strangely enough, when the dealership has it they have to drive it for a couple of days before it fails.
Have you heard of this happening on a 6 speed before? Mine is an automatic and the low end seems to lack power regardless. GM is supposed to call me tomorrow to make me their offer. Extended warrenty at their cost is something I would entertain since I took out the extension along with Gap insurance at the time of sale. Makes payments a bit stiff.
Thanks for your help
Wayne (first time GTO buyer)
#2954 of 4353 Re: GTO problems [gotmygoat]
Jun 12, 2005 (5:43 pm)
Yes, I have heard of it happening on both six-speeds and autos. I suspect the revised part will fix this problem... that would be your best bet. Who is to say that a replacement car wouldn't have the same problem?
I have heard of other '05 auto owners griping about slower speeds/less performance than they have expected. I believe this is due to the torque management/electronic nannying on the '05's. Us '04 owners have options - I played with a Predator tune on my first '04 - made the car an entirely different beast. Things like the Predator, EFI Live, and HPTuners are not yet ready for the '05's - I would imagine within the next couple of months they will be (I know someone who is testing HPTuners for the LS2)...
#2955 of 4353 Hammen2 - Monaro history lesson?
Jun 17, 2005 (8:20 am)
Just read the history lesson on Holden Commodores etc in the GTO/STi forum - very interesting. Something I've wondered is whether there were previous generations of Monaro. In talking to an Aussie buddy of mine, I thought he mentioned that it is a long running model in Australia, but I could have been wrong. BTW, he's a Porsche club racer, (in his stripped down daily driver 911, no less), and race school instructor at one of the racetracks here in Texas, (TMS maybe?). He took a GTO owner around the track in the GTO and was very impressed with it - thinks with the available power and better tires he could lap it faster than his Porsche.
#2956 of 4353 Re: Hammen2 - Monaro history lesson? [jontyrees]
Jun 17, 2005 (8:25 am)
nevermind - I just googled Holden Monaro History, and came up with a link to exactly that. They go back to the mid-60s - pretty cool lifeline.
I wonder if any were featured in the original Mad Max movie - that was full of Aussie musclecars.
#2957 of 4353 Re: Wrecked GTOs on Train [coreseller]--hammen2 isthe man.............bympa
Jun 17, 2005 (11:20 am)
you are right ......hammen 2 is the man...he has helped me several times.......
#2958 of 4353 Re: GTO problems [hammen2]...again.....need help...by mparis1
Jun 17, 2005 (11:33 am)
Hammen2 guru....where can we find 2005 GTO SERVICE BULLETINS...do dealers recall their 2005s for updates....or do we have to tell them about it...with the service bulletin numbers???How about any recalls on the 2005???? thanks again..
#2959 of 4353 Re: Hammen2 - Monaro history lesson? [jontyrees]
Jun 17, 2005 (3:34 pm)
The first time I saw Mad Max I watched it as a futuristic type movie and didn't pay much attention to the cars. I saw it a couple of years ago but this time I watched it as a car movie and those cars were pretty cool.