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Pontiac GTO, Coupe
#2714 of 4353 Re: How would you find an '04 GTO to buy? [oran]
Apr 10, 2005 (2:11 am)
click on Pontiac, then GTO. At some point there is a pop-up that defaults to 2005 - but you can click on it and select 2004.
Be aware most of the 900-some odd '05's left are mostly A4 cars. Expect to pay invoice price less the $5k buyout less any current incentives (i.e. last month was $1k March Madness on cars older than 120 days on the lot - I know there's $1k on the '05's but don't know if this applies to the '04's).
#2715 of 4353 Is edmunds taking the high road?
Apr 11, 2005 (4:29 pm)
I agree with dragon that edmunds is currently an enlightening facilitator of we who are interested in this kind of stuff and take the time to post our 2 cents. But it is not edmunds who creates the interesting forum, it is us: once we stop posting our stuff this forum will die, at least for many of us, because we will stop visiting this site.
Sputterguy's post regarding his communication with an editor of edmunds is not encouraging. The editor seems to exhibit the same detached arrogant, elitist view of us readers that brought down Dan Rather and Bill Moyers (if you're up on big media bias you know about that). That's okay: edmunds can be replaced, and we'll go elsewhere for objective appraisals of cars. We will dispense our genius, captivating opinions elsewhere.
Some sites just don't understand that their success is absolutely and intimately wedded to we readers' perception of how honest they are when they write stuff for us to read. If they blow the honesty thing they are past history, like Rather and Moyers.
Regarding "made in USA", I'm not totally with you on that, dragon. The reason (at least a major reason) the company I worked for (26 years) went bankrupt in 1991 (Pan Am Airlines) was because of Tony Soprano-type unions, where baggage guys were making $40,000 a year (in the 80's). I won't spend more money for an inferior product just to support corrupt USA unions. The president of my union, the Airline Pilot's Association, was making over $400,000 a year, plus benefits, when Pan Am went bankrupt -- that was 15 years ago. I don't want to buy a Mustang because it's not built with the same care that the Australian goat is. I really wanted to buy American, but the Mustang is just too tacky when compared to the Australian goat or German products.
My wife and I are going to climb Mt. Washington this summer (the highest terrain on the east coast). We did that once already, with my Audi A6turbo. It was cool, because going downhill, when most cars had to stop every mile to cool their brakes, I just kept my A6 in 1st and glided down (noiselessly, like a polite metroman), not even touching the brakes. This year it'll be the goat in 1st gear, with over 5,000 feet of vertical decent, me listening to my LS2's throbbing, rapping protests: Hey, I don't like this coasting crap -- push me! Let me go! My wife thinks we're doing this trip to see beautiful nature.
#2716 of 4353 2005 gto problems
Apr 13, 2005 (7:51 am)
My son purchased a 2005 GTO 6.0 L 6-speed manual 2 weeks ago. It has already been, and is currently back, at the dealership with a problem. Battery is dead for the second time. They cannot seem to find the problem. Computer test shows weak battery and they charged it the first time. Four days passed and it was in again with the same problem. All the obvious causes have been eliminated such as lights on, key left in the ignition etc. The dealership is stumped and very reluctant to install a new battery because it has been in twice and possible "lemon law" situation will kick in if they do not remedy the problem. In Florida it is three strikes and your out! They checked national service bulletins and found one that deals with a "male-female" wiring harness that has caused a problem in another GTO where there was tension on this particular harness and it caused the car not to start. DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW OF A SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCE? HELP! My son is really upset and has no faith in the dealership finding the problem. It is his first new car purchase and he has only driven the car a few times.
#2717 of 4353 Re: 2005 gto problems [kma32254]
Apr 13, 2005 (8:58 am)
Pretty likely to be the battery. I know of several '04's who have had this problem. When the first shipload of cars came over from Oz, the keys were left in the ignition, causing a parasitic drain which wiped out the batteries - had to jump every car to get them off the boat (and most of them didn't recover). Dead batteries have been a chronic issue on '04's - many of the cars sitting on dealer lots for awhile have had this issue. Haven't heard of it on the '05's but they've only been arriving on dealer lots in the past 90 days, so it's early.
My replacement car's battery was leaking (and then I dropped it, ouch!). Put in an Optima Red Top (p/n RED-34R - you need the R model to have the battery posts the correct way) - got it from a friend of a friend (battery truck delivery driver) for $80, expect to pay $130 or so for it retail.
It is possible there's some kind of wiring fault which is causing this. They should have replaced the battery the second time. If the dealership is that concerned about lemon law, propose this to them. Have them agree to reimburse you for buying an Optima yourself - then go do that. If it fixes the problem, you never have to worry about the replacment Delco going bad. If it dies too, then you know the problem lies elsewhere, and they try to fix it (have them contact Kobie Glenn at GM - he's the GTO Brand Quality Manager and can ensure they know how to troubleshoot the problem).
#2718 of 4353 Re: 2005 gto problems [hammen2]
Apr 13, 2005 (10:05 am)
Replacing the battery themselves can be kind of a sticky situation. If the Optima dies (and it would take some drain for it to die), the dealer can turn around and state the owner did something when pulling the old one out/putting the new one end.
I do agree that the dealer should have replaced the battery the second time. Knowing some about battery (did a long stint with a battery manufacturer) once a battery get drain to a dead condition, many times it's shot. Also, the battery could have a dead cell condition, funky electrolyte level, bent plate or connector, or a parasitic drain/leak. The dealer, at a minimum, should have done a battery load test, drain test, charge state test while car is running / off. Many times the dealer will just hit the battery with a booster to get the car started and let it run 5 - 10 minutes to let the charging system charge up the battery. Doesn't work too well. The car obviously has a drain somewhere, either through the electrical system or the battery itself or a combo.
I'd take the car back and leave it until they fix it correctly. The son paid too much money to accept this.
Apr 13, 2005 (7:24 pm)
I found the new GTO a bit of disappointment (sorry). I really liked the older ones like "the judge", that was cool. And when I heard that pontiac was bringing it back I got really exited. but when I saw it I thought: this isn't what its supposed to look like. I really hope they change the body styling on it.
#2720 of 4353 Re: Is edmunds taking the high road? [casoncase]
Apr 13, 2005 (9:00 pm)
I think you misunderstood me cason, we are on the same page with Unions.
The Union method of employment in the USA is one of the main reasons for the Dounfall of US manufacturing. Unions, and there political friends to the left, heckle companies untill they agree to insane pensions and salaries, making it impossible to fire people and increasing costs to the point where the company dies and the union worker loses his job.
This is happenning in the auto, airline, and in the 80's it happenned with clothing. It is just impossible to compete with a lower cost company. Toyota makes more omney selling camry's than GM makes on its SUV's (just look at the financials) because they have lower labor costs.
The GTO is an awesome car, and one of the reasons is, it was not make with the UAW. It is insame, GM is insuring people who don't even work for the company. Meanwhile, toyta developed hybrid technology and is looking into avaiation, while bieng the worlds number 1 automaker in about eight years.
We need to reform the way employment is done in America, or else the only cars we will choose from will be japanese and european, our cloths made in china, and our lives subject and wholly owned by a foreign nation.
I support the "buy American" philosophy beause unless we do, we will all be out of a job. However, people didn't buy American because it was American, they bought it because it was better. In many of todays industries, it is all about cost. Get the costs down and American will be better again.
It's comming around, but the union must go or else GM will be backrupt and the GTO badge will be sold to toyota by angry credators.