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Pontiac GTO, Coupe
#2525 of 4353 new Pontiac GTO
Mar 13, 2005 (9:32 pm)
I hope the 2007-2008 Pontiac GTO, which will be built here, looks as good as the all-new 2006 Pontiac Solstice roadster.
The Pontiac Solstice was first shown as a concept at the 2002 Detroit auto show in Jan, 2002. It was shown at the 2004 Detroit auto show in production form.
Here is the 2004 Pontiac GTO Ram Air 6. It was a show car, not a production car.
Also, sales of the new GTO have been improving since the car went on sale.
#2526 of 4353 Re: mpg / sleeper / vast anti-gto conspiracy [crossbreed411]
Mar 14, 2005 (4:35 am)
There are a number of significant changes in the 2005 beyond a bigger engine and the mostly-cosmetic hood scoops, including:
1) bigger, better brakes
2) a "drive-by-wire" system, instead of using throttle cables
3) separated dual exhaust (as opposed to single-side exit dual exhaust on the '04s)
4) the rear end has been restyled to look less tall (should have offered a spoiler delete option, this helps immensely)
5) the automatic tranny has been overhauled and recalibrated, resulting in faster 0-60 times than the stick
6) a dead pedal/changed pedal placement on stick cars
What you are referring to about the rear end is part of the 2005 GTO appearance package (also known as the Autocross appearance package). Options include the grille inserts, front fascia extensions, side skirts/rockers, autocross spoiler, and new lower bumper cover.
Hope this helps,
#2527 of 4353 Re: GTO Production Stop [hammen2]
Mar 14, 2005 (8:42 am)
First choice is Midnight Blue/Black, second choice Quicksilver/Red. Has to be a 6 speed either way. My first choice is one of the new colors so that limits the possibilites for swapping for sure.
I have not seen an '05 on the street yet. If gmbuypower is correct, there are only 8 cars currently available for sale in the St Louis area.
#2528 of 4353 Re: credibility of edmunds.com [casoncase]
Mar 14, 2005 (5:03 pm)
Well, let's see. Run the GTO against European cars costing a minimum of $20K more. The GTO is right behind them but no, that's not a good enough showing.It was beaten by the CTS-V but as everyone here knows the CTS-V comes with the LS6 and starts at $49K. So it took 400hp to beat the GTO by a domestic. Now with the LS2, the GTO has better numbers than CTS-V. And that brings us to that other domestic which I won't name. The GTO wins hands down but then they created a new catagory: popularity. They like this other car better so it wins. And then there's the Consumer Reports drivers that can't get the GTO up to 60 in under 6 seconds. This must be the slowest 350 in history. I think I know the problem with Edmunds. They probably can't find a driver that even wants to drive it. It's such a horrible car that even 400hp doesn't make up for it. It's so ludicris. Oh well, can't win them all.
Mar 14, 2005 (5:10 pm)
Hammen, can you explain briefly what 'drive by wire' is? I keep hearing about it but I don't have any idea what it is. thanks
Mar 14, 2005 (8:03 pm)
I believe this would be when there is no mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the steering rack. I am pretty sure that is correct. I do not know if any vehicle actually uses this system.
I do believe that there are vehicles that have a throttle by wire system - where there is no mechanical connection between the accelerator and the throttle. All done electronically.
#2531 of 4353 Re: Drive by wire [bigdaddycoats]
Mar 14, 2005 (8:15 pm)
that drive by wire thing sounds pretty interesting (you just better hope it never shorts out) ill have too look into it to see how it works seeing as how GM doesnt like to train us about new systems untill something goes wrong with a few and no one knows how to fix em, i did notice a heck of a lot more space in the engine compartment when i did the predelivery inspeaction but didnt think to look for what was missing, a steering shaft perhaps? i had heard rumors of them coming out with an electric pwr steering pump so maybe this turned into an electric steering box instead, or both, if anyone knows for sure please post it up
#2532 of 4353 Re: Drive by wire [crossbreed411]
Mar 14, 2005 (8:22 pm)
I do not think GM uses any drive by wire system currently.
They do use electric steering systems on the Malibu, G6, ION, Cobalt, Equinox - I think that is all for now.
#2533 of 4353 Drive by wire...
Mar 15, 2005 (5:57 am)
on these vehicles has nothing to do with the steering. The LS2 uses an electronic throttle; no cable running from the accelerator pedal to the engine any more. Accelerator pedal action tells computer what throttle action is requested and then a small acutator opens and/or closes the throttle on the engine. All BMW's use electronic throttle (for several years now) and, actually, my 2000 Firebird 3.8 V-6 used electronic throttle. Pretty common these days.
#2534 of 4353 sputterguy
Mar 15, 2005 (6:17 am)
There is more to life, and car quality, than just 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. Otherwise, we would all be driving 15 year old 5.0 Mustangs with Vortech S/C and laughing at those "idiots" in their high falutin' BMW's.
The quicker GM fans can grow up and accept the fact that other adults don't give a rats whether you can beat them to the next stop light or not, the better for GM. Do you honestly think the owner of a BMW cares IN THE SLIGHTEST that you can bury him in tire smoke?