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#1496 of 4353 re: gto vs mustang and MT article
Aug 25, 2004 (5:04 am)
I read the MT article. Ultimately they liked the Mercedes a lot better but it was double the price. The main criticism I have read of the GTO is the handling isn't razor sharp. Maybe they can improve this in 2006. However with 400 hp they should sell a lot. My family has been buying Pontiac's for years, never had any problems with any of them.
Wouldn't buy another Ford after my experience with the Contour. Not very reliable although it was fun to drive. Also new Mustang does not have IRS except for their expensive models. Ford's reason is that people can modify it but most will not buy it for drag racing. I have to admit though the new Mustang is a lot better looking than the GTO. But as they say beauty is only skin deep.
#1497 of 4353 Re: Mustang vs. GTO [hammen2]
Aug 25, 2004 (5:08 am)
The new GTO is styled to resemble Pontiac's _current_ standard cars, the Grand Am/Grand Prix (I especially see a major resemblance in the GTO's front end with the previous-generation Grand Prix, which I personally prefer to the 04-newer bodystyle). The new GTO follows the same formula - looks just like a standard Pontiac, except having a big engine. Where the formula differs is that the new GTO can do more than just go fast in a straight line...
I fully support your argument. But I'd like to play devil's advocate for a moment. While the GTO does resemble other Pontiac models (specifically the previous gen Grand Prix as you mentioned), and the original GTO also resembled other models (tempest, et al), there is one glaring difference: The original GTO WAS a tempest. It was the same chassis, the same car. The GTO has NOTHING mechanically in common with a Grand Prix. So the new GTO shares styling elements with other Pontiacs but for a completely different reason than the old one did the same.
On your final point, I don't see why GM couldn't offer all the equipment you can get in, say, a G35, for G35 money. There's no reason one should have to pay CTS-V money for all that equipment. The LS1 or LS2 are probably cheaper to produce than any of the competition's OHC engines, so don't say the engine drives up the cost. I test drove a black M6 GTO back in January of this year and also greatly lamented the abscence of auto climate control and a moonroof. HIDs aren't as important to me but should surely be optional. Nav and heated seats, same deal.
#1498 of 4353 Re: LS2 and Mustang [graphicguy]
Aug 25, 2004 (5:10 am)
That's the first I had heard of the LS2 going into anything except the C6.
It's actually been a rumor floating around for months now, only recently substantiated.
#1499 of 4353 re: gto vs mustang and MT article [slingshot80]
Aug 25, 2004 (5:19 am)
I have to admit though the new Mustang is a lot better looking than the GTO. But as they say beauty is only skin deep.
Give it a year or two and I guarantee it will look stale. And Ford can go nowhere with the design. Plus, when we start to see tons of Mustangs equipped with the High School Girl Package (HSGP - V6 auto, some convertibles), I think our opinion of the Mustang will sour (mine already is).
#1500 of 4353 re: gto vs mustang and MT article( kevm14)
Aug 25, 2004 (8:14 am)
Quote: "Give it a year or two and I guarantee it will look stale. And Ford can go nowhere with the design"
I prefer the way Ford recreated the new Mustang, Combining modern styling with the looks of the late 60ís classic car, Ford has followed the steps of the MINI. IMO, this is the best design, Ford has done to the Mustang.
Saying with guarantee that in a year or two, the looks will be stale, could only come from a Nostradamus impostor.
#1501 of 4353 Motrtrend vs. Mercedes CLK
Aug 25, 2004 (8:47 am)
What's with Motortrend? First they compare a CLK320 to an Accord V6 coupe, and now they're comparing a CLK55 to a Pontiac GTO? They sure seem to have issues with the CLK.
#1502 of 4353 re: gto vs mustang and MT article( kevm14) [exzur]
Aug 25, 2004 (9:26 am)
I prefer the way Ford recreated the new Mustang, Combining modern styling with the looks of the late 60ís classic car
Ok, fine, but what do you do as a Ford designer, when it comes time to freshen the styling? Retro styling, by definition, can only be a fad-type-thing, where it's around for a little while, then gone. Do you see how the new Mustang cannot represent "future Ford styling trends?" What do you see when you look at a New Beetle? Certainly the PT Cruiser doesn't really stand out anymore. Fortunately for the PT, it is an adequate, practical and economical car.
I see retro styling only as a means to create a buzz and this buzz can only be a temporary thing. It looks cool now because it's so different, or reminds us of past cars, which we certainly don't see much of on the streets. But flood the streets with Mustangs, as Ford plans to do and I see styling that may have been regarded as a "modern recreation" at its inception, turn into something simply stale.
#1503 of 4353 Reliability Problems?
Aug 25, 2004 (1:12 pm)
Have the people who actually own this vehicle had major reliability problems? I read about 600 -700 postings and I don't see major problems. I have also been monitoring the RX-8 forum and they are having major issues.
#1504 of 4353 Reliability Problems
Aug 25, 2004 (7:39 pm)
I have owned my GTO since December (was on the first ship).
I haven't had one problem. The fit and finish is far superior to any GM production car (for that matter, any american car). The interior is superb (no plastic inserts) and the seats are very supportive and comfortable.
Along with the obvious power, the car handles very well.
For a car that people say is bland, I sure get alot of positive comments from people.
#1505 of 4353 GTO common problems
Aug 26, 2004 (4:21 am)
The GTO has been out since 2001/2002 in Australia (as the Holden Monaro), so I'm sure many of the bugs have been worked out by now. There were 500+ engineering changes that Pontiac made - other than the obvious gas tank relocation, including a new interior (as the plastics in the original would not have held up to the hot/cold temperature extremes in the U.S.), revised exhaust sounds, et. al.
Researching one for a possible purchase, I have read a number of boards. There were a number of goofy alarm/security problems with some of the cars - turns out the batteries were drained/damaged due to the long delay between shipping. I presume this has been fixed in later shipments. A number of folks had issues with creaking/groaning noises from the suspension - turns out the delivering dealers never did the PDI and didn't remove some of the shipping materials from the suspension!
There was a problem with improperly-torqued bolts on the stick cars, but that was early builds only. There is a service bulletin coming out on the manual, but I'm not familiar with the specifics (we plan to buy a Cosmos Purple automatic, but haven't pulled the trigger yet - wondering if incentives are going to increase after September 7 - there are at least 5 Cosmos Purple autos within 100 miles of our house, so we're not overly concerned with missing out on one)...