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#1420 of 4353 Re: no sale?!?! [revdrluv]
Jul 21, 2004 (7:51 am)
I don't like to be the one saying "I told you so". Back in message #701 I focused on how the GTO sales would be poor, even before the car made it to American shores.
Now I am telling GM unless a serious effort is made the bean counters won’t let the GTO make it passed 2006, YES YOU READ IT RIGHT, 2006. The GTO will go down in history as a flop, and with only three years on American shores, small spare parts inventory, minuscule population, exacerbated insurance rates, pathetic resale values we won’t be seeing too many versions of the current GTO anywhere for the rest of the decade.
Those behind the GTO project are touting that while GTO sales are poor; the model is attracting buyers to Pontiac show rooms…I don’t think so…just ask the average person what is a GTO, 1 in 20 might have a clue. Where does this leave people like us, the driving enthusiasts? With an abandoned effort that’s what.
According to my sources (http://www.mlive.com/news/statewide/index.ssf?/base/news-4/10878- 5400055670.xml) the GTO will not be improved mechanically for 2005, this single fact seals the fate of the GTO, unfortunately for the worse. If the 6.0 400hp engine is not installed with visual enhancements there will be a glut of GTO’s on dealer lots that can not be sold, at the current pace not even HALF of the 04s will be sold by the time the 05s are being driven off the ships.
A warning to those thinking of purchasing the GTO in the coming months, BE PATIENT!, by the end of the year there will be $4000 (minimum) rebates and dealers will do anything to get their 04 cars off the lot’s. All those who actually do a little bit of true searching know you can have your pick of color and transmission (at least in the North East).
The only true savior for the 05 GTO and future GTO’s is the new 6.0 engine. Even if the 6.0 is given to the GTO for 05, the price won’t be able to go up, probably will go down a bit but at least the power for the money will cause such a stir SALES WILL IMPROVE. Those willing to drive a Mustang will have shifted away from GM in 05 but the media won’t be able to cover up the new power for the GTO. For the GTO’s sake, I hope they’ve made the upgrade.
Next year the GTO will not sell for sticker price, dealers all over the country are going to feel a pinch this year they won’t forget soon, it’ll be good for them though, calm their egos hopefully reminding them that after all, they are just Pontiac dealers, not BMW or Acura, not even Honda or Toyota.
Jul 22, 2004 (6:06 am)
In all frankness, Lutz has been quoted as saying the GTO has a bright future in GM's plans.
Regardless of what's stated here, truth told, we don't know what GM plans to do. We can speculate, but that's about it.
Personally, I believe that GM will probably ride the GTO without any major upgrades since the car has been so well reviewed, as is. All the tooling has already been paid for. They don't need to sell many of them to make money and it's a nice "halo" car for Pontiac.
I bought a Vibe a month ago. I had the opportunity to sit in and drive a GTO breifly, when waiting for my Vibe to be prepped. It's a high quality piece. Pontiac shouldn't have any reason to fret over it's build quality compared to any other manufacturer. It's fast as stink, is comfortable and handles well.
I'd prefer the styling to be a little less derivative, but that would be the only thing I would change. That would be easy enough to do with a few add-ons here and there.
Jul 22, 2004 (7:24 am)
I read an interesting commment in the last issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines about the new GTO.
One of the contributing editors was speculating that the GTO's difficulties are about this:
1. Baby boomers who remember the GTO don't like the new one because it's nothing like the old one.
2. Younger buyers haven't a clue as to what the old GTO was, so it doesn't resonate with them in terms of marketing.
Jul 22, 2004 (8:36 am)
Pontiac is changing the car big-time for '05. LS2 engine (400 hp), hood scoops (not sure if they're optional), bigger brakes, true separated dual exhaust/new rear fascia, et. al. Other than the hood scoops, they're not changing the appearance much, which seems to be people's #1 complaint about the car ("looks too much like a Grand Prix/Grand Am/Lumina/Cavalier*). It sure doesn't look or feel like one of those once you get behind the wheel, that's for darned sure.
There will probably be some more incremental changes for '06, and then a newer GTO, to be built somewhere in North America, will probably materialize (and, rumors have it, will have a Camaro sister) in 2007 or 2008.
* Ever seen pix of the front end of a mid-60's GTO and a mid-60's Grand Prix? They look a lot alike, just like th current GTO looks like the previous-generation Grand Prix. I'll agree the GTO may be a little "sleeper" but I personally like that in a vehicle
#1424 of 4353 fluid leak at rear diff
Jul 23, 2004 (4:11 am)
Anyone notice a small amount of fluid coming from rear-passenger side of the rear differetial?
I was underneath the car checking the clerances and layout of pipes and whatnot when I saw it. Wasn't dripping/flowing/gushing but there was deffinitely diff. fluid coming from one of the bolts.
BTW, I love this car - Impulse blue with blue leather, m6. My coworkers are ecstatic about it. They always want me to drive to lunch.
The only thing I miss is a door (un)lock switch near the window switches. Everything else (small trunk, knee knocker aka glove box, no nav, no sunroof) I can live with. I've already seen the hood with active intakes I want to get.
#1425 of 4353 Re: fluid leak at rear diff [tolenash]
Jul 23, 2004 (12:12 pm)
I've never noticed any fluid leaks on my baby. You might try this question in the forums at ls1gto.com.
#1426 of 4353 Re: GTO future [hammen2]
Jul 23, 2004 (12:13 pm)
According to sources on ls1gto.com, the hood scoops will not be optional. I suppose that's OK as long as they are done tastefully.
I personally am not a fan of many of the hoods with scoops for the 04, but I do like the PFYC Banshee hood that is available. Lots of people find the MPD hood attractive but I don't like the ridge down the middle.
#1427 of 4353 Re: interesting comment [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 23, 2004 (12:21 pm)
I don't know how accurate the HMM impression of the GTO is. In my town, everywhere I go (Starbucks, WalMart, Autozone, KMart, Mervyns, Staples, etc.) I find people asking about my car.
The other night I was sitting out front of Starbucks and these two girls get in their Civic after walking by my car. Well, the passenger doubletakes, gets back out of the car, and goes over to the look at the GTO, then she starts hopping up and down saying how beautiful the GTO is. I told her she was right and she asked if it was mine, I said yeah, we talked for a few about it, and it was cool.
#1428 of 4353 Re: interesting comment [Mr_Shiftright]
Jul 23, 2004 (1:06 pm)
The same issue of HMM had a small item about a '70 Malibu SS/454
LS6 changing hands for over $300 thousand. I don't neccessarily believe that particular story but let me pose a question [to all not just Shifty]:
The most collectible of all Muscle Cars is clearly the hotter versions of the Malibu SS, good ones bring exoticar prices ergo is it possible that GM would have been better off selling the LS1 Monaro coupe as a "Malibu SS" (notwithstanding the current use of the Malibu name on the lackluster front-driver)?
Flame away boys!
Jul 23, 2004 (3:16 pm)
I am also of the belief that the hood scoops will not be optional. What will be optional is the flat hood, the scoops will be standard.