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Volvo S40, Volvo V50, Sedan
#954 of 1117 Re: v50 in Car magazine [creakid1 #952]
May 17, 2004 (1:50 pm)
"But that's not something to worry about w/ the non-sport suspension, as this is what 24 March 2004 AutoExpress said about the non-sport S40's slow-motion suspension, 'Furthermore, the more precise handling has not come at the expense of refinement, as superb damping ensures that the S40 remains very composed on undulating A-roads.'"
"They did point out that the impressive low-speed ride 'does become slightly more jittery and uneven' on the motorway."
Slightly. I'll take that. Ideally, it seems Volvo needs something in between. I'd like an s80 t6 damping with the s40 t5s handling. It even gives deep absorption on nasty streets, at least at medium speeds. At low speeds its lumpy. But I'll take that over jarring.
Hopefully, Volvo will refine the suspension and maybe they'll be a Phase 2 s40. Upgraded and refined dynamics, upgraded interior. Ford needs to get together with Volvo and maybe lend them some chassis engineers.
#955 of 1117 Re: But no one will be impressed by the T-5 sport's ride comfort [creakid1 #951]
May 17, 2004 (1:58 pm)
That's the thing with the BMW. Overall excellence and refinement. X car may go faster around corner, y car may accelerate better, z car may brake better, j car may have more doodads inside. But with BMW you get a refined engine, super refined suspension, refined steering, refine balance. The only thing you may not get is great traction in the snow. And in the super sports version some harshness is present.
The BMW has easy and controlled damping and progressive and planted springs. The geometry is true. The sounds are refined. It is one of the finest cars for the price, and remains the benchmark.
#956 of 1117 Re: But no one will be impressed by the T-5 sport's ride comfort [benjamins #955]
May 17, 2004 (3:28 pm)
The BMW 3 series is what everyone is trying to match or beat. As far as driving dynamics go, the Infiniti G35 comes the closest but it falls short in interior quality and manual transmission availability (no manual in base model or AWD model). I'd like to get a 330i but it costs more than I want to spend, and a new body style is around the corner for '06. My current lease is up this November. I will probably get an S40 T5 AWD manual or a Subaru Legacy GT manual (after a thorough back to back test drive of both). If Volvo dealers don't have manuals available to test drive, then they will loose customers. I won't order one without driving it first.
May 17, 2004 (4:02 pm)
the Jag wagon compared favorably with the V50 and Outback, then why won't Jag bring it over here?
volvomax, how many S40's (the new one) do you have on your lot? are they selling well?
#959 of 1117 Re: v50 in Car magazine [benjamins #954]
May 17, 2004 (4:17 pm)
"I'd like an s80 t6 damping with the s40 t5s handling. It even gives deep absorption on nasty streets, at least at medium speeds. At low speeds its lumpy. But I'll take that over jarring."
The culprit is the Focus's lack of very long suspension travel. The non-sport T-5 already has the ideal tuning for ride comfort. It's like no matter how you tune the Carisma's Japanese suspension on the old S40, there's no way it can ride better than mediocre.
#962 of 1117 Re: But no one will be impressed by the T-5 sport's ride comfort [carman123
May 18, 2004 (12:28 am)
"The BMW 3 series is what everyone is trying to match or beat. As far as driving dynamics go, the Infiniti G35 comes the closest but it falls short in interior quality and manual transmission availability (no manual in base model or AWD model). I'd like to get a 330i but it costs more than I want to spend, and a new body style is around the corner for '06."
If you're after the type of car like the G35 & 330i, which has the lowered sport suspension std since '01.5(CR tested the '01 w/o the sport suspension), they are not in the same "pampering-ride league" as the std 325i.
"I will probably get an S40 T5 AWD manual or a Subaru Legacy GT manual (after a thorough back to back test drive of both)."
The Subaru Legacy still lacks steering feel according to June '04 CAR's wagon comparison of V50/X-Type/Freelander/Legacy, which I just read at the news stand. Ride comfort's good, at least at higher speeds.
As benjamins mentioned, they found the V50's ride(w/ sport suspension & 17"s) too stiff.
They preferred the Jag X-type, which does well in both ride & handling. I believe it has the sport suspension.
Otherwise, the June '04 TopGear's diesel-sedan comparison had to rank the softest-&-quietest 16" non-sport X-type, which has the most cramped back seat & lowest quality interior plastic, behind the 2nd-place 17" S40 sport, which trails behind the 1st-place 17" A4 sport. Again, the S40 sport is badly criticized for it's ride.
Audi has the most steady steering. While the Jag needs "some extra concentration and a tight grip of the wheel" during cross winds, plus the most body lean & least predicable handling. The Volvo "feels the most compact car of these three on the road" & the most nimble/agile w/ "the liveliest and the most communicative" steering.
The comparison candidates chosen in these Brit car magazines are pretty much pointless. So the S40 sport has least comfortable ride & the best handling & steering ahead of both Jag & Audi sport. Big deal, we know the VW/Audi group no longer got much steering feel these days even w/ sport package.
Just like after the 3-series sedan became std w/ sport suspension since '02 in Europe, all the comparisons kept saying the Beemer got the best steering & handling, but the Mercedes & Jaguar got better ride comfort. The Brits can opt for the regular suspension as part of the special comfort package, but these Magazines didn't bothered to.
We all know that the S40's sport suspension is too uncomfortably busy, even more so than the BMW/Mercedes/Jaguar's sport suspension.
A truely comparable comparison is to pit the relax-riding S40 w/ non-sport suspension against these rivals, even the Jaguar w/ the non-lowered sport suspension & Mercedes w/ sport suspension, which has been lowered lately but the C-class got so many inches of travel to begin with, so it's still comparable.
I guess only CR will pick the S40 w/o sport suspension in the comparison test. Just like they're the only one did the G35/3-series w/o sport suspension, while C&D always picked the G35/325i w/ sport suspension.
#963 of 1117 Re: Volvo take a page from Cadillac [creakid1 #953]
May 18, 2004 (12:42 am)
“"The funny thing is, I think that when Ford builds its new cars on the s60/s80 platform, that they'll have class-leading ride and handling or close to it. Just a few tweaks and the potential of the platform may be realized."
We'll see! As one Brit magazine pointed out that Ford will have to be ultra talented in order to achieve that on this Volvo suspension system.”
There was a false rumor that the '08 Mondeo III will be based on the S60/80 due to its platform strength. Well, AUTOCAR just revealed that it's the Scorpio-size version that'll do that, just like the American Ford Five Hundred. So it's not too hard to beat the dynamics of the Scorpio as oppose to the superb Mondeo II.
The next Mondeo & Galaxy minivan will be have nothing to do w/ the Mazda6, which the American Futura, etc. will be based on, & will be based on a stretched Focus II. & the sketch looks very much like an enlarged new S40, although the final styling hasn't been finalized yet. Make sense, strength wise, the new S40 w/ the "Focus II platform" crashes as well as the S80! The Mondeo III's ride comfort is suppose to be a priority w/ the Toyota Avensis as benchmark. Sounds like it'll ride at least as good as the recent Camry(SE?) while providing better handling & steering.
The only thing Volvo-ish about the next Mondeo is that it will use the turbo 5-cyl's from Volvo instead of 6-cyl's, which will be reserved for the Scorpio-size Ford "S80".