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Volvo S40, Volvo V50, Sedan
#414 of 1117 Couple of points
Feb 16, 2004 (8:16 am)
The S60 is scheduled for a redesign in 2006 or 2007.
Volvo has charge of the platform for that car.
Meaning that there probably won't be as much sharing in this car as you might think.
6th beatle, WHAT?????
The 5 cyl has been around for over 10 yrs w/ hundreds of thousands of engines built.
Name me one new car that is cheap to fix.
Even your precious honda and scooby-do's can be expensive to repair.
cornell, I guess all those thousands of people who pay for gussied up camrys and accords must be doing something wrong. As has been exhaustively demonstrated here the S40 is alot more than just a swedish focus.
#415 of 1117 In the early 90's
Feb 16, 2004 (9:01 am)
Acura produced a 5-cylinder car. The Acura Vigor.
#416 of 1117 Good discussion!
Feb 16, 2004 (9:48 am)
I appreciate all the good input here. I've made up my mind to keep my old bimmer for awhile longer and see how this new S40 turns out.
Volvomax: Thanks for all the info. I personally think it will be very interesting to see how the S40 vs S60 situation plays out, before the S60 is redesigned. If I was a betting man, I would bet the S60 isn't redesigned until MY2007. I don't read up on the S80, but my guess is that model will be redesigned before the S60.
#417 of 1117 thanks everyone!
Feb 16, 2004 (10:25 am)
for clearing up my misconceptions about the volvo 5-cylinder engine and purportedly bad reliability.
i guess odd numbers of cylinders is not that uncommon, come to think of it, triumph does have a pretty nice motor in their triple, but the old acura vigor and the new colorado seem to me very unattractive packages for prospective buyers, simply by not offering the ubiquitous 6-cylinder that most sports car and truck shoppers want. oh well.
as for reliability problems, i have four acquaintances who drive volvos, and two of them absolutely love their vehicle, but the other two said they would buy a different brand of vehicle next time due to the high cost of parts and servicing. i just figured that 50% bad is too bad for me, as i love the styling of the S60, especially the sculpted rear flanks of the sedan. beautiful!
one of the major italian car magazines voted it the most beautiful car design of the year, and italians know good design when they see it. incidentally, the hyundai tiburon is a huge seller among young italian men.
Feb 16, 2004 (1:51 pm)
polling 4 people doesn't give you too much of a cross-section. You might want to look towards sources of greater diversity like these internet boards. Which, obviously, since you are here, you are doing. So that's a start.
For instance, I don't personally know a single BMW owner who found their car reliable. If it wasn't for boards like these, magazines, published reports, etc., I would think BMW was one of the worst brands on the market.
Feb 16, 2004 (2:53 pm)
sometimes asking four people you know personally is just as valuable as reading the anonymous opinions of fourteen people you don't know at all. i find that many posters contribute facts and opinions that they themselves have based on conjecture and hearsay. if you have read any of my numerous posts in the past, i think you would be aware that my eagerness to learn as much as i can about all cars has more to do with my avid interest as a long-time auto enthusiast than with any neophytic naiivete on the subject.
as for the purported reliability of certain marques, i am familiar with the yin and yang of owning temperamental beasts and the very human bond between emotional driver and seemingly emotional vehicle, having owned a vintage mercedes-benz convertible and a pristine mid-sixties mopar, as well as several motorcycles.
i myself am waiting rather impatiently for the return of alfa romeo to these shores so that i can immediately purchase a new 156 sportwagon in light metallic aqua. if my judgements were based solely on reputation, i wouldn't touch an alfa with the proverbial ten-foot pole.
but the difference between alfa romeo and volvo is that alfa romeo has never professed to build safe and RELIABLE cars, whereas volvo always has, and indeed uses this as a major selling point to justify the comparatively premium price of the vehicles in its line-up.
that is why i am more circumspect when someone seems to be simply repeating the company line; i believe some people unreasonably defend their vehicle as a psychological means to justify their decision to buy it, as noone want to be perceived as being unhappy and stuck with "their" poor choice; of course, until AFTER they get rid of the aforementioned vehicle, at which time the critical floodgates will invariably open.
therefore, i'm more interested in reading the opinions of people who have owned a volvo before, and have bought a second or third one which they are happy with, not just the opinions of someone who reads car magazines, or who once owned a volvo but in reality hasn't owned one since.
Feb 17, 2004 (1:07 am)
creakid1 "Volvo S40" Feb 17, 2004 3:58am
But then, the only Volvo we ever had was a unreliable Belgian-built '86 760 Turbo 4-cyl. The water pump failed repeatly & everything inside the car broke -- from the power seat, sunroof, stereo... & the new S40/V50 is also made in Belgium.
Feb 17, 2004 (5:42 am)
i totally agree in respect to what you will find on the internet. the trick is both weeding out the suspect information and getting a large enough sample that it dillutes the misinformation.
For example, before buying the S70, I read every post I could find. I decided that the more common complaints that did exist were so trivial in content that it would not bother me if it happened to me. Any major issues tended to be one out of hundreds of posts, so I considered those anomalies (or misinformation) and ignored them.
like you, I also seem to be drawn to cars that some might call temperamental. I own both an Alfa and an S70 at the moment. So if I believed everything I read, I have 2 of the most unreliable cars of all time. LOL. My personal experience, however, tells me otherwise (although, since its visit to the paint shop, my alfa has not been happy, but that's another story).
What I meant to say, though, is that 4 real-life people does not make for a large enough sampling to base a judgement on. Sure, their information should carry more weight overall, but the laws of probability dictate that it won't give you a fair assessment of the population as a whole.
On the Alfa thing. I find peoples' opinions of Alfa most interesting and we've discussed it a little on the alfa board. To keep it short, I have never met an Alfa owner who hated their car and thought it unreliable. Anyone I do meet who says "geez. you own an alfa? yer nuts." and I ask if they have ever owned one and the answer is always "no." So I think this ties into your last paragraph about finding folks who actually own them, drive them, and love them rather than those who are just repeating something they may have heard in passing from their uncle who heard it from his friend's roommate. Its a complicated process to say the least.
#423 of 1117 I'm sure
Feb 17, 2004 (3:19 pm)
build quality has improved from the Volvo 760 Turbo.