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#11 of 9235 I'll probably get in trouble for this, but.... by groovypippin Jan 26, 2003 (12:14 pm)
I've got some news on a car other than the Mazda3 and this seems like the best place to post it.   It looks like the Mazda2 may have been greenlighted for North American - or at least Canadian - distribution. I don't have a clear idea about potential introduction dates, but I would guess Fall '03 to Winter '04 timeframe.   I may have some more info on this later in February, so I'll let you all know then. I think this would be a good move for Mazda Canada especially, since the Protege now starts at about $17,000 Canadian.
#12 of 9235 Mazda2 by dinu01 Jan 26, 2003 (12:20 pm)
Is a mini MPV looks-wise and will compete with mini cars that Toyota and Honda want to introduce here. At least the 2 looks decent, but Honda's city car is not a Picasso by any means.   Let me ask you this: What's the difference b/w the 2 and Demio? Is there one or are they the same car?   Dinu
#13 of 9235 The Mazda2... by groovypippin Jan 26, 2003 (2:24 pm)
Is the replacement for the Demio - and a major improvement by all accounts. Apparently Mazda has been able to add a sizable dose of fun to this car, as well as a very nice interior.   The cool thing about Mazda bringing over the 2 is that - like the M6 hatch and wagon - there won't really be any competition for the car, at least not at the price point they will likely sell it at.
#14 of 9235 Dinu01 by groovypippin Jan 26, 2003 (2:34 pm)
CHeck out the Mazda Australia website for good info in english on the Mazda2   http://www.mazda.com.au/articleZone1.asp?articleZoneID=1808
#15 of 9235 Jamie by dinu01 Jan 26, 2003 (2:53 pm)
Doesn't look bad, but the NA market does not appreciate small cars - well at least in the US they won't sell. Maybe in Canada?   The front is pure Mazda. The rear has a bit of a Fiat (small Fiat - maybe the Cinquecento?), MPV and the Infinity G35.   BTW, saw my first 6 this Friday! It was the GS model in blue - very nice! I have to go when the dealer is open and take a look at it inside and maybe talk one for a spin.   Dinu
#16 of 9235 Question is by dinu01 Jan 26, 2003 (2:59 pm)
Is there a market for this type of car in NA?   I would say no, considering that in Canada last year the Civic, Cavy and PRO were #1-3 in sales with 68.000/5x.000/48.000 units...   In the US the Civic is at 316.000 (I think), but it's outsold by the Camry/Accord, so unless a car can make in down south, it will be produced for the US and Canada. If it can't, then we won't have it either.   Dinu
#17 of 9235 Remember Dinu by groovypippin Jan 26, 2003 (7:19 pm)
In 1995 when Mazda brought a new 323 to Canada, but not into the US. Now admittedly, that car was a failed experiment but Acura has done very well with the Canada-only 1.6EL and maybe Mazda is thinking the same thing.   I will finally get to see my first M6 on Monday or Tuesday when they arrive at our dealership. Quite looking forward to it.
#18 of 9235 Groovy by dinu01 Jan 27, 2003 (6:00 am)
"Acura has done very well with the Canada-only 1.6EL"   The only reason why that car sold is that it had an Acura badge. We know NA buyers will pay more to be seen in a re-badged Civic or Camry. I guess it's that trendy thing why VW Jettas are bought by many b/c they're seen as a vehicle in b/w economy and luxury, but NOT a midsize. Then they're brought back to the dealer for rattles and failing power windows, but that's another story   Don't forget the 1.6EL is larger than the 2. Perhaps the 2 competes with the Aerio Wagon? It seems these are the only similar cars on the market now. Oops! I'm forgetting the Element and the Scion. SO maybe there is a mrket for weird-looking tall wagons. Personally I loved the Nissan Axxess. Maybe the 2 will be similar.   Dinu
#19 of 9235 Dinu by groovypippin Jan 27, 2003 (6:37 am)
No, the 2 will be much smaller than the Nissan Axxess. I brought up the example of the Acura 1.6EL not because it is in any way similar to the 2 in form or function, but because it is an example of a successsful Canada-only model.   While I would guess that Mazda will bring the 2 to all of North America, I could see a case for only bringing it to Canada - since our entry level Protege (soon to tbe the Mazda3) is about $17,000.   By the way, doesn't is amaze you to read about our American friends whining about having to pay $23,000 for a loaded V6 mid-size sedan like the Mazda6. That's clode to what we pay for a loaded Protege.
#20 of 9235 Groovy by dinu01 Jan 27, 2003 (6:48 am)
"By the way, doesn't is amaze you to read about our American friends whining about having to pay $23,000 for a loaded V6 mid-size sedan like the Mazda6. That's clode to what we pay for a loaded Protege."   Well that's $23.000x1.55(exchange rate)=$35.650 CAD!!! That's not cheap by any means. Add tax and interest and you've got a luxury sports sedan!   Don't forget the PRO retails for $16.000 US or so- meaning $24.000 CAD, not factoring in taxes and interest. My ES was $24.100 with A/C, spoiler and auto (yes my PRO is AT - other people need to drive it too) --- (car - $19.xxx; taxes $3000 at 15%; interest 2.9% - $1300), so they do pay more for cars than we do here. Of course they pay lower taxes but I'm not sure what salaries are like in the US compared to Canada. Anyways, we shouldn't complain. Life's not bad on either side of the border.   Dinu

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