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Mazda MAZDA3, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#2539 of 2744 Re: This mght help in deciding... [luvmbooty]
Aug 10, 2006 (9:46 am)
I found the Sept. 2006 Consumer Reports article on hatchbacks interesting also. Below is what I posted in the
Protege5 forum. The Protege5 is the predecessor to the Mazda3 hatchback. In most cases the Mazda3 hatchback is a big improvement over the Protege5 but it looks like Mazda dropped the ball when it came to fuel economy since both automatics only get 25 mpg. Also, the Protege5 had an Excellent reliability rating back in 2002 whereas the current Mazda3 gets a Better than Average rating.
"In the current crop of hatchbacks the Mazda3 tops CR's list over the Caliber, Audi3, Saab 92X, Matrix, Vibe, Focus, Malibu Maxx, PT Cruiser, Chevrolet HHR, Prius, and Scion XB. Quite an accomplishment considering some of these vehicles cost thousands more.
The one surprising deficit of all of the hatchbacks tested in the Sept. 2006 issue (i.e. Mazda3, Caliber, Audi3, Saab 92X) is the cargo area! Surprising because that's the one area of a hatchback that one would think that a hatchback would score well.
In August 2002, Consumer Reports recommended the Protege5 even though it came ninth in the list of hatchbacks. The top choice that year was the VW Jetta Wagon.
Since I had a copy of CR's earlier hatchback review back in 2002 when the Protege5 came out, I found it interesting to compare the specs for the Mazda3 hatchback against those of the Protege5. As you can imagine in most cases the Mazda3 bested the P5 (horsepower, torque, acceleration, transmission ...). But here are a few places where the P5 scored better: the Protege5's brakes stop you in the dry from a 60mph in 126 ft compared to the Mazda3's 129 ft. The P5 weighs nearly 10% less than the Mazda3 hatchback and likely because of a heavier front end the weight distribution is better on the P5. Finally, it is interesting to note that both the P5 and the Mazda3 hatchback average the same 25 mpg."
Aug 10, 2006 (10:11 am)
"Finally, it is interesting to note that both the P5 and the Mazda3 hatchback average the same 25 mpg."
What did they drive, an auto? The Mazda3 2.3 with manual gets an average of 28 mpg.
#2541 of 2744 Re: Is CR on something? [blueguydotcom]
Aug 10, 2006 (11:39 am)
"... both the P5 and the Mazda3 hatchback average the same 25 mpg."
What did they drive, an auto?
#2542 of 2744 Re: Is CR on something? [autonomous]
Aug 10, 2006 (12:13 pm)
An auto in a 4 cylinder car that heavy? Might as well be pedaling the darn thing.
#2543 of 2744 Re: Is CR on something? [blueguydotcom]
Aug 10, 2006 (12:21 pm)
Look at all the automatic I4 Camrys, Accords and the like that are out there--they are bigger/heavier than a Mazda3s. It's a fact that automatics far outsell sticks, that's why CR tends to test mostly automatics.
#2544 of 2744 Re: Is CR on something? [backy]
Aug 10, 2006 (1:17 pm)
It's a fact that automatics far outsell sticks
#2545 of 2744 3 Wagon Cargo Undersized?
Aug 16, 2006 (10:03 pm)
Does it seem like the 3 has small cargo space for a 5-door/wagon? When compared to the Volvo V50, a car built off the same platform as the 3, the 3's cargo looks downright tiny!
Sure, the V50's a "wagon", and the 3's a "hatch", but when you look closer at their specifications, something doesn't add up.
Measure Mazda3 V50
Wheelbase 103.9" 103.9" <- same platform, same wheelbase Length 176.6" 177.7" <- V50 only 1.1" longer! Width 69.1" 69.7" Lugage Cap 17.1cf 27.4cf <- V50 with 60% more luggage space Cargo Cap 31cf 63cf <- V50 with 103% more cargo space! Like I said, something doesn't add up, the 3's only an inch shorter, less than an inch narower, but has half the cargo space? Visually, the 3 has the sloping rear, where the V50 is straight back to the rear door. But it couldn't make THAT much difference, could it?
#2546 of 2744 Mazda3 hatch vs Volvo V50 : Cargo area [vincep]
Aug 18, 2006 (12:23 pm)
Interesting. I wonder how Volvo carved out so much more cargo area in the V50 which appears to offer double the space of the Mazda3 hatch. On the other hand, the V50 appears to be priced an additional $10,000 and to weigh an additional 500 lbs! Maybe the more relevant comparison to the V50 is the Mazda6 wagon.
Consumer Reports in their current (Sept. 2006) review of hatchbacks (including the Mazda3, the Saab, and the Calibre) noted one common fault: poor cargo area.
Personally, my Protege5 (the precursor to the Mazda3) is fine for my needs, a flip of the back seats reveals gobs of room.
#2547 of 2744 Re: 3 Wagon Cargo Undersized? [vincep]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Aug 18, 2006 (12:25 pm)
Some manufacturer's measure cargo area differently..
Some only measure to the top of the rear seats, while others measure to the ceiling...
Don't know if that is the case here, but that is how I would bet...
#2548 of 2744 Re: 3 Wagon Cargo Undersized? [kyfdx]
Aug 20, 2006 (11:59 am)
ok that`s pretty stupid coming from them. Shouldn`t they have a standard measuring system or something? Or is it anybody`s will?
It`s nasty anyway.