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Scion xB, Wagon
#904 of 1370 Re: Echo vs. Scion [micweb]
Jul 14, 2004 (1:33 pm)
I also owned a stripped down two door echo. I loved the echo, but wanted more versatility and more features. So I traded the echo for an Xb. I agree that the scion seems more upscale, but the echo certainly was quieter and smoother feeling at higher speeds. The scion is a stiffer ride with excellent handling. the Xb's seats seem more comfortable and all the standard features are welcoming along with having four doors again. Also the cargo area with the rear seat/s folded down is a bonus although the Xb's cargo area with the seats up is smaller. Passenger room in the scion is pretty amazing too. The echo is a somewhat smoother ride and better gas mileage and the scion Xb handles better with more room and versatility. I was also surprised that the 2005 Xb's insurance is cheaper than a 2002 echo. My girlfriend still has an echo so iI didn't feel so bad giving up the echo. Overall, I think the echo and Xb are both excellent vehicles. I Dodo think you get more for your money with the Xb. Now I hope the Xb is as proplem free as the echo having all the power options, ABS, stability control, and traction control.
Jul 15, 2004 (5:35 am)
Cargo space is limited, I wonder if they could design the 2nd row seat to slide forward a bit. It has almost too much rear leg room.
Jul 15, 2004 (5:49 am)
Does anyone know the TSB number on the A/C issue?
Jul 15, 2004 (6:06 am)
Here's my 6000 mile MPG update:
Heavy foot, automatic, AC on 100% of the time:
26 city, 30 hwy
#908 of 1370 Consumer Reports
Jul 15, 2004 (10:03 am)
Has anyone read the august issue of consumer reports yet? It rated rated both the scion xa and the xb. Only the xb was recommended though. What are your thoughts?
#909 of 1370 Re: Consumer Reports [milkman]
Jul 16, 2004 (7:50 am)
I hope I get around to checking this out at the newstand...but in the meantime, can you tell us -
what they thought of the aircon, if anything?
what they thought of the rpm or noise level, if they drove a stick? or for that matter with an automatic?
what they thought of the ride?
what they thought of the acceleration?
My current thinking on the xA is that if it got the Civic or Corolla drive train, it would be a sweet ride, but otherwise, like the Echo, it has to work wy too hard at freeway speeds to be any fun these days (it would have killed Austin Healey's bug-eyed Sprite, Sunbeams, and Triumph's, but that was back in the '60's....).
Jul 16, 2004 (8:50 am)
Well, I've been working 3rd shift all week and had a long drive home...so I ran an experiment to see the best MPG that I could achieve on my 2005 xB manual transmission: 44-2/3 MPG straight highway driving along relatively flat I-94 with very slow acceleration and a maintained speed of 55-60 MPH (Yes, this is very slow for this highway) and no A/C. Mind you I only usually get between 32-35 MPG on the highway because normally I am driving 72-78 MPH, and unfortunately the engine drones at these high speeds unless I cover it up with the stereo volume. My plan to help alleviate some of the drone and high RPMs is to put larger diameter tires (25"+)...of course I'll have to put a note underneath the spedometer to remind me that I am going faster than the spedometer reads [I wonder if that theoretically extends my warranty coverage?]!
Jul 16, 2004 (10:08 am)
Make sure you have clearance in the fenders to go that much bigger. Tires might rub the fender lining or the strut bases.
Jul 16, 2004 (11:28 am)
Here's a great tool for calculating tire sizes:
I put 215/45-17 on mine, they have the effect of a 3.7% change in final drive and fit perfectly.
Jul 16, 2004 (2:16 pm)
17s? Cool. What's the stock size? 15"?
Watch unsprung weight. Good wheels are light.