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Scion xB, Wagon
#792 of 1370 waiting in Wisconsin...
Apr 15, 2004 (3:49 pm)
I've seen a few xB's already in suburban Milwaukee, including the Hot Lava (orange) special edition, even though I don't think they're for sale here yet.
Seems like a great vehicle, but like others have mentioned (I've read all 40 pages of commentary ), I have major reservations about the wimpy engine. Look on the bright side all you want, but hp and torque just over 100 in a modern vehicle is just not cool. I don't want to go with a vehicle slower than my current 125 hp DOHC 98 Saturn SW2 automatic which I've read does 0-60 in about 9.6 sec. I've read that an auto xB (I don't want a manual) will likely take longer than 11 sec. A vehicle as cool looking as the xB and aimed at America's youth should not have such unexceptional performance. Why the base Corolla/Matrix engine was passed over, even as an option, is hard to believe and really disappointing to me. Better yet, it'd be nice to have the base Camry engine. *grin* I recall walking through a Ford new car lot in the early 90's, checking out window stickers and noticing that upgrading to a V-6 in a Ranger was a sub-$1000 option. Wouldn't that be nice...
Anyhow, I have a few questions/comments for you follow xB admirers:
1) What kind of mileage are you getting with your AUTOMATIC xB's?
2) The front is the least attractive part of the vehicle. Especially the grill. Just the overall shape of the front of the car. It seems kinda compact compared to the blocky rear and sides. What do you guys think?
3) The xB has its speedometer to the right of where most other cars have it, doesn't it? Is this bothersome?
4) I want a purple paint option. I'd like a standard 'grape sucker' purple or something like Ford's 'ultraviolet' from the mid 90's. I'd also like a nice emerald green... I've never liked the darker greens that have been so 'popular'. I think Scion should offer more interesting colors. At least they have orange which, in my opinion, is far better than yellow which is so abundant nowadays.
I noticed a new Hot Lava automatic for sale online by a dealer, priced at $15000. The MSRP should be nearly $16000. Something struck me as fishy about that... would a dealer be selling the limited edition Hot Lava model for $1000 under invoice? I'm tempted to investigate in case this is a deal I won't ever find repeated, but I'm hoping to drive my current car another 6 months and save up an additional couple thousand for a down payment. And I'm also sorta hoping that the power issue is addressed for the 2005's and maybe a purple special edition is on the way. *wishful thinking* Heh heh!
#793 of 1370 Braking
Apr 15, 2004 (6:38 pm)
Good question about braking distances but I just did a bunch of checking around and it's surprising how little comparative information exists, at least online at major sites. I checked some sources that use C&D, Motortrend, etc. road tests as sources.
The 200 ft. distance you mention is a C&D 70-0 stopping distance. The only other 70-0 stopping distance I could find online was a C&D number for a 2004 325 sedan at 172 ft. There are lots of 60-0 stopping distances listed and they are of course much shorter. Perhaps you are comparing two different distances, in which case it's difficult to draw conclusions. I frankly don't know if 200 ft. from 70 mph is long.
My only "panic" stop in the xB so far was at a fairly slow speed, but stop I surely did with no drama.
Hope this helps.
#794 of 1370 Mileage etc
Apr 16, 2004 (6:42 am)
I get about 24 city and 36 highway in my xB auto. What I've found is that EPA city mileage rating is always about 20-30% higher than actual, and the EPA highway is about 10% lower than actual.
In my experience the brakes have no problems with panic stops, and (unless one is drag racing) the power is more than adequate for a 2500 lb vehicle. The xB is a sensible, fun and incredibly roomy city car: it's not meant for people who require a lot of horsepower or who want to haul 4x8 sheets of plywood. That's what minivans and SUVs are for, imho. Also, most of the accessories that Scion sells are high priced frills that one can do without. The xB is terrific, AS IS. Incidentally, I'm not aware of such a fun car below $15K that comes with ABS incl brake-force distribution and brake assist, anti-skid control and traction control.
Apr 16, 2004 (7:52 am)
Focus is the only other car in that price range that offers stability control, and it's an option.
Apr 16, 2004 (9:23 am)
You have to test drive the car to see if you like the power or not. I didn't drive an auto, but the stick had plenty of go.
2) I think the front fits the vehicle pretty well, but there are lots of bodykits you can order from Japan if you want to change it. And I mean, a LOT.
Hot Lava for $15000? That is such a cool color.
I don't think that any cars are coming in the purple you describe right now. You mean like the Prowler purple?
#797 of 1370 Guess you have to drive it, Bren
Apr 16, 2004 (10:09 am)
If you haven't already. It's a blast, though if power is a high priority you're likely to be disappointed. Power-to-wight ratio is better than a base Mini, but there's nothing like the seat of your pants to tell if you'll be satisfied. I think the front makes the car by giving it sort of a little bulldog look. To each his own.
Hard to say if the $15,000 price on a hot lava auto is too good to be true, but Toyota is pretty serious about not allowing dealers to play games and I experienced none during visits to three dealers.
#798 of 1370 Trailer Hitch for Scion xB?
Apr 16, 2004 (1:10 pm)
Instead of putting on a roof roack, I'm thinking of using a hitch-mounted rack I already own for hauling bikes. I'm having trouble finding a hitch (the places I've contacted don't know the car yet). Anybody had one installed or have a company to recommend contacting?
#799 of 1370 Roof /bike rack for Scion xB
Apr 17, 2004 (9:19 am)
Hi..Is the roof rack a factory option or a aftermarket purchase for the xB.
#800 of 1370 Hitches and roof racks
Apr 17, 2004 (5:17 pm)
Both these topics were touched on a few posts back, related by the general need to haul stuff. The hitch is problematic due to the skirt along the bottom of the bumper. You'd need to go through it or under it to accommodate a hitch. Scion says the car isn't designed to tow, but a hitch bracket to support a bike rack, even if the bracket has to be rigged around bumper, could probably be done.
There are no "factory options" on scions. All options are added at the port of entry or, more likely, at the dealership. I haven't seen any info about dealer installed roof racks, but have read posts by those who ordered them. There are some aftermarket choices, too. There are several posts on the subject at scionlife.com.
#801 of 1370 Ask the man who owns one...
Apr 18, 2004 (6:58 am)
Ever notice that Scion owners do not complain about the power, but people who have never driven one seem the most concerned?