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#1723 of 2861 Rating the ratings
Jun 17, 2005 (4:15 am)
Obviously we want the ratings to confirm our choices and to clobber all the vile specimens that we detest. But that's what makes public ratings very interesting: One's personal experience or point of view may not be confirmed by a larger audience. For example, many of us have heard that GM builds bad cars and that the Japanese (read, Toyota) with their excellent reliability are poised to take over. Well, as you can see from the JD Power survey, GM has two vehicles (Buick and Cadillac) in the top ten in terms of initial quality ratings. What really floored me was how Mazda has plummeted in the 2005 survey. According to Consumer Reports quite a few models (Mazda6, Mazda RX8, Mazda MPV) are suffering from poor reliability; these reliability ratings are culled from surveys of thousands of subscribers to this magazine which is not beholden to any car company. JD Power and Consumer Reports are routinely mentioned in the industry as consumer benchmarks.
Keeping it simple may not work in the auto industry. Most consumers seem to prefer a well-equipped car at a discount rate rather than a basic car at a decent price. Call it human nature, greed or a great deal but many of us want everything for nothing. In defence of the auto industry, many products with ever increasing amounts of incredible components are outstanding for the price; an Echo hatchback is an excellent vehicle in its category; I happen to prefer another category and so dream of the Mazdaspeed3.
#1724 of 2861 Re: Rating the ratings [autonomous]
Jun 17, 2005 (4:34 am)
According to Consumer Reports quite a few models (Mazda6, Mazda RX8, Mazda MPV) are suffering from poor reliability;
I thought I read somewhere that the poor ratings for the RX-8 were due to complaints of engine oil consumption. Kind of like how the Hummers were thrown to the bottom last year due to complaints of poor fuel mileage.
Anyone else remember this?
#1725 of 2861 still don't see it
Jun 17, 2005 (8:47 am)
I have their mag. and it does not indicate anything really bad about Mazda in the section where the people have given their reports to CR. So how do they surmise that something has changed at Mazda unless they use JD Powers reporting which is the first 3 months. I may avoid Mazda for now. I like all the stats on the Mazda3, but too many people say the air conditioning doesn't work and have brake problems and such. What is once again interesting to note, the problems do not show in CR for the Mazda3 back in 2004 -- very interesting. They love the Mazda3 at CR, but not the 6. Hummm, looks like more complaints here on the 3 than the 6 model -- once again interesting.
#1726 of 2861 Re: mazda 6 wagon problem [m1miata]
Jun 17, 2005 (10:48 am)
I have owned a VW, a 2000 Passat, and it was the worst car I've ever owned. The service equally as bad- it was tied up for 6 days after a transmission module failure that stranded me and required the car to be towed to the dealer. And, they gave it back to me filthy after sitting under a tree collecting pollen and bird poop. I finally dumped it at 56K after numerous problems, including the oil sludge issue.
My M6 just passed 10K miles without a single problem, so I guess I got one that bucks the CR ratings (so far). The car isn't perfect; none are- I still am lukewarm about the shift performance of the auto 5 spd and don't like the greasy brake dust, although the brakes stop fine. But overall, a very good car for the money and still a hoot to drive!
#1727 of 2861 Re: still don't see it [m1miata]
Jun 17, 2005 (11:48 am)
I like all the stats on the Mazda3, but too many people say the air conditioning doesn't work and have brake problems ... the problems do not show in CR ... They love the Mazda3 at CR, but not the 6 ... more complaints here on the 3 than the 6
Good points. Often a few posters on a website can create a false or incomplete impression of a vehicle. This impression then influences others who may not consult other sources. Let's aim for a balanced discussion and not only the gripes of an individual. This is not to advocate censorship but to argue for balance. That's why we need Consumer Reports, JD Powers and other tools.
#1728 of 2861 Yes, how true
Jun 17, 2005 (12:32 pm)
Yes, how true that those having all the bad luck will be the most vocal and the most likely to post. What is a puzzler is when Mazda is sliding on the number of problems per car ratio, yet CR reporting owners seem happy enough not to mark down all those problem areas. Not sure what to make of it. What is interesting are the number of people you talk to that have owner several Mazda cars. There certainly is a following.
#1729 of 2861 Re: All-weather floor mats [mz6greyghost]
Jun 17, 2005 (10:02 pm)
the highland 2-pc. set for my trade-in on my 05 6i-a04 elantra- were nearly perfect for the pass. side and pretty close -not quite wide enough- on the driver side.about forty bucks from j.c.whitney.com.generic all-weathers will pop into the back nicely and are under fifteen from any auto parts store-the slightly rectangular kind.a plug,also,for colgan custom.com re: their front-end nose mask and mirror mask sets-126.70 total for both/no s&h-there are no better quality products made and my 6i was parked until I installed these two products.Note that the 04 6 sedan with sport pkg. and 05 had zero changes re:perfect fitment of nose/mirror mask sets.I only use KLASSE all-in-one for waxing,also.MY pleasure...
#1730 of 2861 Re: Yes, how true [m1miata]
Jun 20, 2005 (8:48 am)
Loren ... I'm one of those people. Six new Mazda vehicles since 1991, and I'm the very happy owner of a 2005 Mazda3 hatch with 3,500 miles on it. Please keep in mind that the loud yelps of a pitiful few are being grossly overshadowed by the tens of thousands of happy owners who find no reason to come to a "Problems and Solutions" discussion since their Mazda3's are fine.
Here's something that may help you ...
Note the source of the data in this survey of vehicle quality. Then note what car is in a 3-way tie for best small car, as voted by the OWNERS of the car.
#1731 of 2861 Re: mazda 6 wagon problem [fitguy]
Jun 23, 2005 (1:51 pm)
Like fitguy, I had a 2000 Passat which gave me more trouble than any car I'd owned. When I had a chance to go to a Mazda6, I jumped on it! Have had the 6i for exactly two years and 24,000 miles. Brakes are great, gas mileage and acceleration as good at the Passat. However, the 6 has nagging little problems (air bag light stays on, CD player skips when it gets hot, engine light comes on for no reason, etc.) that makes me nervous about keeping it. Worse yet, my dealer's service department is truly crappy.
I now have a large dog and am thinking about getting a wagon. Thoughts re: the 6 wagon, anyone?
#1732 of 2861 Re: mazda 6 wagon problem [clinton4]
Jun 23, 2005 (6:19 pm)
I have a 2004 6 wagon and 2 dogs; a great dog car! 7500 miles so far and no problems. Is there another dealer not too far away from you? I wouldn't get a car from a place with lousy service; that's why I gave up on Subarus.