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Suzuki Aerio, Hatchback, Sedan, Wagon
#300 of 436 Re: 2006 Aerio AWD, the mega tire eater [logmgr]
Jan 04, 2007 (10:14 am)
Good luck & keep a detailed diary of everything you do concerning your tires as it's very likely you will be another victim of this unfortunate problem! Happened to our car at under 14K miles, but unknown exactly when it began as car is in another state with our daughter who had it serviced according to manual. Pls note that tires were completely bald, with no tread pattern as no tread left! And both rear tires were bald - front tires were totally fine and still like new. SO, this isn't a pressure problem or rotation problem, but an obvious and serious suspension type problem. The car, being AWD, should NOT do this if working properly. My son says it must be that the rear tires are turning much more than the front tires - does that make sense to anyone?
Good luck and again, I'm shocked that the 2006 AWD Aerio is also having this problem! What can we do, as SUzuki paying for replacement tires is NOT the answer, just a bandaid to a serious problem!
#301 of 436 Re: 2006 Aerio AWD, the mega tire eater [ggmar1]
Jan 04, 2007 (4:11 pm)
I have had the same problem with my 2002 Aerio at about 15,000 miles. I went to the dealer and wanted to replace it with the same Yokohama tires that the car came with it. Instead, I went to a Walmart, and they replaced it with Bridgestone tires and at 70,000 miles, i have had absolutely no problems with the tires. The other only problem I had with the car was the the keyless entry system which was replaced under warranty.
#302 of 436 Re: Tire rotation, etc.
Jan 05, 2007 (11:21 am)
No, I'm not being too harsh. People who don't maintain their cars are their own worst enemies. Tires do need rotation. Oil needs changing. Antifreeze and other liquids need checking along with, for tires, air pressure. Anybody who doesn't notice that their rear tires are going bald until they are bald or they go pop are really unlikely to be checking air pressure, which means they probably have 20 lbs or less in the tires. On rear tires on a modern FWD car, or even AWD, there is usually so little weight that the tires will not look unusual at that pressure, but they will wear unusually. And, the AWD will just about tear the tire apart.
No, you don't have to be a nervous Nelly about maintenance, but you better do some, or your car will be an early casualty. Front tires do receive different forces than rear tires, especially on an AWD car, so rotate the darn things at least every 5,000 miles. The only company that has AWD for passenger cars really figured out for full-time use is Subaru, so next time, get a Forester if you just have to get AWD. The FWD Suzuki is just fine, get's better gas mileage, is easier on tires, costs less in repairs, and is better in almost every respect than an AWD version.
Anybody who has to drive through snow on roads knows that FWD works better than AWD, even with all the slip sensors. Snow piles up and strongly impedes the front wheels. Any push at all from the rear will bring the rear around. The very best handling vehicles were the early Subarus and Toyotas that could be shifted on the fly into 4WD for start ups and slow downs, and run in FWD along the road.
#303 of 436 Re: Tire rotation, etc. [rarchimedes]
Jan 05, 2007 (12:04 pm)
Dear All, I have been reading for a while now about people complaining that they have to rotate their tires. Do you change your oil? Do you use your turn-signal when you change directions? Do you take a bath at least once a week?
Rotating tires is basic "car 101". Rotate em every time you change oil (between 3 & 5 thousand miles) and your tires will typically go twice the advertised mileage. This, ofcourse, based on proper inflation, balance and alignment.
I have had my 2006 Aerio premium (2WD) since July and have already put 20,000 miles on her. By the way, the tires still look new. She is comfortable, quick, responsive, sure footed, quite and has a great radio. My only complaint is I can't buy anything to boost performance from Suzuki or the aftermarket.
Regularly rotate your tires and regularly take a bath. You will be happier.
#304 of 436 Re: Tire rotation, etc. [rarchimedes]
Jan 05, 2007 (12:15 pm)
We know rotation is important, but not doing so before 12K should NOT make rear tires completely bald! Come on! Problem is NOT lack of tire rotation, but is a suspension issue. Why keep focusing on tire rotation and igoring obvious suspension problem with this car? Me thinks perhaps you are somehow connected to Suzuki?
And, to say that FWD is better than AWD in the snow is not our experience at all. Owned 3 FWD's (Olds 98's)previously, and NONE of them came close to the way our Audi A6 quattro AWD handles in the snow. Your comments puzzle me...
#305 of 436 Noisy power lock mechanism?
Jan 13, 2007 (11:38 pm)
Today, one or more (but I hope it is one!) of my power locks makes a loud whirring noise upon locking or unlocking the vehicle.
Has anyone had such a problem? Did a fix involve simply oiling something, or replacing entire power lock units?
#306 of 436 Re: Noisy power lock mechanism? [carthell]
Jan 14, 2007 (12:42 am)
Sounds to me like a part will need replaced...I hope you have it covered under warranty b/c it may be a bit costly.
#307 of 436 Re: Tire rotation, etc. [lynnster2]
Jan 14, 2007 (2:40 pm)
No, I don't work for Suzuki, but your need to blame a dealer for your own problem is more than a bit bizarre. Tires on AWD cars usually only last 24-30k because of the extra wear involved, so you're telling me that not rotating the tire for half of it's expected life is not going to cause major problems. I also did note that there is an alignment problem with the Suzuki, which can be fixed with an aftermarket solution. Also, any idiot that thinks an Olds 98 with ten tons over the front wheels is any kind of comparison to a normal front wheel drive car is not too bright. Those old V8 FWD's from GM wore out tires faster than any Suzuki ever could, but they could punch a drift. The Cadillac version was a major tank in heavy drifts in New Mexico, but if it got into deep, compacted snow, it was a goner because of it's weight. All of those also had major mechanical problems, as the internal design of the FWD was very inefficient and primitive. A Quattro handles great ON compacted snow or ice, because of the distribution of drive, but no car with rear wheel drive of any kind does well when driving into snow that is clumping in front of the front wheels. That is what you get when you are driving in actively snowing conditions. The front wheels are slowed disproportionately while clearing a path for the rear wheels, and the rear wheels cannot help but push the tail end around a bunch, even with traction control. Of course, if you can afford the Olds 98 FWD or the Audi Quattros with their usual price tags and monstrous repair bills, I can't imagine what you are doing with a Suzuki of any kind, much less complaining about the paltry repair bills.
Again, if you let tires go completely bald before you catch them, there is little that anybody is going to be able to do for you. I can't afford to neglect my cars in that manner, and my girls know that if they were to let that happen to their cars, they wouldn't get much sympathy from me. Sounds to me like you have too much money and too little sense. You expect to buy a car costing less than a half of either of the other cars you name, and have it perform exactly like them. Reminds me of an oft quoted definition of insanity...doing the same thing repeatedly, and expecting something different to happen.
#308 of 436 Re: Tire rotation, etc. [rarchimedes]
Jan 14, 2007 (7:02 pm)
Wow, that your picture in the dictionary under"nasty" or what? You must get great satisfaction here, so I won't bother to feed your ego. Have a nice life!
#309 of 436 Re: Tire rotation, etc. [lynnster2]
Jan 14, 2007 (11:18 pm)
Yes, and there are whiners on every forum who are unwilling to do the least thing to solve their own problems. More than a few people on here have actually rotated their tires and paid attention to their vehicles, and they certainly have legitimate gripes. I have noted my own problems with my Suzuki, which required some persistence on my part to have fixed. So far, I have found no dealers of any brand of car who have volunteered to make expensive fixes without good documentation of a problem. Yes, and many of them do just put you off by accusing you of usually not doing things that they think you should have done. The answer to that is to do the required scheduled maintenance and document it. If you have done that, you have a perfect right to complain, and should do so until they right the problem. If you have given your child a car and expect the dealer to act as their parent in dealing with the car, you are expecting way too much of the dealer.
If you really want to do something useful, you could work for laws that require manufacturers to publish technical bulletins at no cost to the consumer. Suzuki gives very poor access to their technical bulletins, and the only meaningful way in which you can search such bulletins is if you pay Suzuki way too much money for the privilege. I am no fan of most manufacturers or dealers, but I do know that I have to do my part for any car to last in the way that I would like it. If I do my part, and the car does not last, then I will have legitimate cause for complaint.