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You are in the Scion xA and xD
What is this discussion about?
Scion xA, Scion xB, Hatchback, Wagon
#698 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 26, 2006 (1:35 pm)
The xA is the way to go. The Corolla and Matrix will drive you nuts trying to find one that isn't either stripped, or loaded. The xA only comes one way - loaded (except wheels), but at a cheap price.
The engine, pickup, cruising speed etc. in the xA are all the same as in the Matrix or Corolla. It has a smaller engine but it is a slightly lighter car so it evens out.
The xA has plenty of rear seat room, but not as much trunk space. If you don't use both rear seats often, storage is never a problem.
The car will go as fast as you need it. I cruised all the time at 80 mph. The automatic has lower rpm than the stick shift, so you won't "feel" as though you need to upshift (passengers never noticed the motor, the car has good soundproofing).
The ride on the 2004 xA was a little harsh. I understand they softened it a little (they also reduced the size of the rear headrests and made the aircon more effective). It's a great car.
Try Longo Toyota in El Monte for a good selection. Absolutely, positively don't succumb to "extras" like an upgraded radio or wheels. Buy it stock, otherwise you'll give back on accessories the money you'll be saving on the car, and might as well shop for something else.
The only "option" worth getting is side air bags. The Scion Security System is overpriced.
#699 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [econocat]
Sep 26, 2006 (1:51 pm)
I have 06 RAV4 V6 model which is a great car, both city and highway. However I miss the 01 RAV4 that I previously owned for five years. I liked its smaller size and its functionality. I'm sorry now that I got rid of it. The main problem was that it was not nearly as quiet or comfortable on the highway. About a month ago I became smitten by the xA and finally bought one a week ago. It's a great little city car, and loads of fun to drive. Its suspension is far stiffer than either of my RAV4s and not nearly as comfortable on the highway. It rides well on smooth asphalt, but the expansion joints in a concrete highway are a real pain on long drives. The chop can become quite tiring. So I wouldn't recomment the xA as your only car.
#700 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [jbrahms]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Sep 26, 2006 (1:58 pm)
You can buy the TRD (or similar) performance struts and it will vastly improve your ride by making the struts more compliant.
#701 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 26, 2006 (5:04 pm)
Thanks for the input guys.
jbrahms- Thanks for the candor. I'll definitely test-drive it on the freeway. I guess there is some subjectivity here.
Does anyone have the weight of these 3 cars w/AT? I've found very different numbers on various sites.
Will a cold air intake really increase horsepower and torque?
I'll check on the price of TRD's performance struts. Mr. Shiftright, are you recommending the front strut tie bar or the struts/shocks kit? What about installation?
If I get the struts and/or cold air intake, will my savings margin be eaten up?
About the pricing, I completely understand your skepticism. But at one of these dealerships in Dec. '03 we purchased an '04 Corolla CE for the ad price of $10,995. Before that my sister bought a new '03 Camry at the ad price of $14,500 or $15,500, (can't remember which.) And this past spring, my Mom got an '06 Corolla LE with 6-cd changer & side airbags for $14,250, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Let's pretend for a moment that I don't have my head up my butt by believing I can actually get these deals. ;p
Which is the best value at the prices I listed?
#702 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 26, 2006 (6:33 pm)
Are you recommending both TRD lowering springs and the performance shock set or just the latter. If I could get a more compliant ride, I might make the xA my only wheels. Do you have any idea of the cost (installed)?
#703 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [econocat]
Sep 26, 2006 (6:38 pm)
Here are the weights of the 3 cars with automatic transmission:
Honda Fit Sport 2551 lbs
Scion xA 2380 lbs
Matrix 2778 lbs
#704 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [jbrahms]
Sep 26, 2006 (6:48 pm)
The Matrix comes in a 4WD as well as a 2WD. I quoted the weight of the 2WD. The 4WD weighs 2965 lbs, almost 200 lbs heavier.
#705 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [econocat]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Sep 26, 2006 (9:28 pm)
I really don't think you'll get those prices. A Matrix will cost you at least $16,000. The Corolla price you quoted is below dealer invoice, so there must have been some factory money in there is all I can think of. But the Corolla price is more realistic than a $13.5K Matrix. No way Jose if you ask me.
I definitely recommend the rear sway bar on the xA...the front strut bar offers pretty subtle changes, maybe a bit quicker "turn in" when you are charging around a turn.
Cold Air Intake depends on the design and the quality of the product. If well engineered, it will give you a little boost, sure, but it will probably make more noise than horsepower. If it were a true "ram-effect" cold air intake and not just a simple intake that replaces the stock box, I'd guess maybe 2 to 10 HP.
I haven't done the struts and lowering springs yet, but TRD swears by their struts and I believe them. I'm not sure I want to lower the car however. It may hurt resale value.
#706 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [Mr_Shiftright]
Sep 27, 2006 (7:45 am)
I'm puzzled by your comment that "You can buy the TRD (or similar) performance struts and it will vastly improve your ride by making the struts more compliant."
In what way is the ride vastly improved? I called the Scion dealer to inquire about the TRD lowering spring set and the performance shock set and was told that they would make the car stiffer and therefore less comfortable. They are aimed at the sport driver rather than someone looking for an improved ride.
#707 of 734 Re: Honda Fit vs. Scion xA vs. Toyota Matrix [jbrahms]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Sep 27, 2006 (8:03 am)
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was thinking of the TRD performance struts but NOT the lowering springs....just the special shocks, which are more sophisticated than the OEMs...they aren't meant for a harsher ride but rather to respond more quickly to events....faster response rate gives you a better ride.
Lowering the car of course gives less compliance in the springs, which WOULD increase harshness to some degree.
This is why I advise people (and myself) to be careful not to ADD UP too many modifications that contribute to harshness....for instance, if you did lowering springs AND lower profile tires AND perhaps bought new alloy wheels that were sort of heavy (the cheaper kind)....well, you are going to deteriorate the ride somewhat.
But just installing more reactive shocks would, I think, probably improve the overall ride of the xA, since it wouldn't tend to say "skitter" over corduroy roads or "pogo-stick" on one hard bump or thump as much on road cracks.
Of course, this is my theory and my considered opinion. I haven't yet implemented this but I'm confident enough to buy these shocks myself in the near future.