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Scion xA, Scion xB, Hatchback, Wagon
#512 of 734 SCION COMPETITION
Jul 26, 2005 (8:31 am)
From The Car Connection---
Daily Edition: Jul. 26, 2005
Nissan Plotting Scion Fighters
Nissan's plans to challenge the success of the Scion brand will take the shape of a new sedan and a new hatchback, according to a report in Automotive News. The industry weekly says that a new sedan will slot in beneath the existing Sentra compact sometime in 2007; the Sentra itself will be replaced in the summer of 2006. The new entry-level sedan will be joined by a three-door hatchback; both are expected to be built at the Nissan plant inMexico, though Nissan did not confirm that in the report. Nissan hopes to take some sales away from Toyota's Scion brand, which is on track to sell about 160,000 xB, xA and tC models this year.
Spy Shots: '07 Nissan Teana by KGP Photography (7/25/2005)
Is it a mule or an Avalon fighter?
Flint: Character Counts More than Cheap
Americans don't like small cars or cheap cars. That's a generalization - but it's generally true. So if a car company wants to sell Americans a cheap car, and cheap cars generally are small, they should sell it as something else. Even cheap cars can sizzle. So sell the sizzle.
The most recent examples are the Toyota Scion cars. There really are cheap, and by that I mean low-priced. People actually pay $15,000 and $16,000 for an xA (the hatchback) or an xB (the box). But they aren't sold as cheap cars and people don't think of them that way. They sold 74,862 Scions in six months, on the way to 150,000 this year. It won't be long before they pass 200,000 a year. And I thought the Scion would flop when it came out. How wrong I was.
Now look at another cheap car, the Chevy Aveo, made by Daewoo in Korea and sold by Chevy dealers. They sold 35,245 in six months, on the way to 70,000.
Here's the difference: Toyota sells them as youth cars, but the buyers aren't particularly young. But that Chevy Aveo is just a cheap car.
Flint: Character Counts More Than Cheap by Jerry Flint (7/25/2005)
The key to getting people into them is making them special.
Jul 26, 2005 (10:54 pm)
Why do they compare the combined sales of the xA and xB to the Aveo? I think the actual breakdown would probably show the xB as #1, the Aveo as #2, and the xA as #3 - which would make the article completely pointless.
#514 of 734 Re: scion article [muffin_man]
Jul 27, 2005 (4:37 am)
I am assuming that the number includes tc's also. It makes the brand sound as if it is doing better than others. As to the Aveo, I like the look but can't get past the gray interior. To me the front seat room actually seemed larger than the xA but I will trade some room for details. I also have some suspicions to the quality of the Holden engine in the Aveo. I have had good luck and bad with Toyota. For the most part you hear good. At this point the xA has my vote.
#515 of 734 echo question
Jul 27, 2005 (1:24 pm)
I am in the US and want to buy a 2005 echo in the next month or so. Is there anyone willing to provide dealer info and also best on-line used car lists.
Also any and all information/assistance in this effort would be incredibly appreciated
Jul 27, 2005 (7:12 pm)
new Echo on a dealer lot in well over a year. Were any new ones sold this year?
the xA makes a very nice substitute for the Echo...
#517 of 734 IMO the xA makes the Echo
Jul 27, 2005 (7:31 pm)
seem like a Yugo. The xA is a really nice car, with distinct looks to it that looks absolutely awesome in Release Series form. Those cars are great looking, plus you would be getting great resale value and legendary Toyota build quality.
I am still watching Scion but am sorta interested in what Toyota brings to the table next year for the Echo, or Yaris, or Vitz, or whatever they decide. In Canada the Echo is a winner and great seller. I love my Sportage 4x4 so much that it's gonna be hard to not go for a new world order Sportage when the time comes. I love that new Sportage design and am becoming more enamored with it with each passing month as we head into the second half of 2005.
#518 of 734 Since this is the xA discussion
Jul 29, 2005 (8:08 pm)
let's stick to that. If you are interested in an Echo, please search/browse for discussions related to that vehicle and post there.
#519 of 734 Re: scion article [chrisducati]
Jul 31, 2005 (4:54 pm)
As to the Aveo, I like the look but can't get past the gray interior.
As opposed to the dark gray/black interior in the xA that absorbs boatloads of heat on a car with not nearly enough engine power to have a healthy level of a/c cooling?
To me the front seat room actually seemed larger than the xA but I will trade some room for details.
Front seat room seemed bigger in the Aveo than the xA to me as well. I think it is more about the sloping A-pillar near my head as much as any measurable dimensions, though. The back seat on the Aveo is much smaller than in the xA, though. In my case, I may need to stick my son back there from time to time, and he's already 6-2. He wouldn't fit in the Aveo.
#520 of 734 Re: scion article [doohickie]
Aug 02, 2005 (8:59 am)
Yep, I would much rather have the dark interior of the xA. When a car sets in the sun here in St.Louis the insides are going to be hot no matter what. The interior thermometer in my car always says like 145 after setting in the parking lot all day. So even if a light color gets me 20 degrees of temp relief it still is going to be HOT. I dislike tupperware gray. I have that in our Hyundai and I will not get that color again. If the dash were two tone dark on top light on bottom maybe I would like the Aveo's as much as the xA. As for hp, I have have no need for high hp engines. I get by just fine on 75-130 hp as long as the car is a stick shift.. A car with 130 hp is great if you live on a two lane rural highway and have to pass people. I do not live anywhere near those conditions. I am either in heavy stop and go or moving at 50-65 on the expressway in heavy traffic. I rarely get to blast the gas. I have learned to live with out it.
The back seat of the Aveo seems higher up to me. The leg room was skimpy but the head room was where I fault it. Stadium seating? The xA is just nicer in the back. Still not like the xB but for a short car it is fine. How about putting xA styling on the xB chassis..
#521 of 734 Re: scion article [chrisducati]
Aug 02, 2005 (11:20 am)
The back seat of the Aveo seems higher up to me. The leg room was skimpy but the head room was where I fault it. Stadium seating?
Exactly my impression.
The xA is just nicer in the back. Still not like the xB but for a short car it is fine. How about putting xA styling on the xB chassis..
Actually, xA & xB *are* on the same chassis; the same one as the Echo. The xA slopes in, though, while the xB goes straight up. But I know what you mean: If the xA had some of the interior room of the xB it would be much better.
I would actually like the xB styling if the front bumper didn't stick out so far in front of the grill. If they extended the grill so it was within, say, and inch of the bumper, it would look much better I think.