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Dodge Intrepid, Engine
#24 of 63 Back in '96...
Jan 13, 2003 (7:33 am)
...the Concorde was actually more similar to the Intrepid than it is today. They had the same interior and exterior dimensions back in '96, whereas the current Concorde is about 4-5" longer, and has a few inches more legroom in back. Same 113" wheelbase, but the back seat is pushed back further between the rear wheels.
I believe the current Concorde weighs about 100 lb more than the Intrepid, but I doubt that's enough to put any additional strain on the engine/tranny.
Sometimes, one twin will be more reliable than another if it's built at a different factory. For instance, with GM, the Impala and Century/Regal always seemd to be put together better than the Grand Prix/Intrigue. The Chevy/Buicks are built in Canada, and the Pontiac/Olds, Kansas.
Way back in the old days, a more expensive version of a car usually got you a better car. For instance, back in the '50's, a more expensive Chrysler or DeSoto usually got you a Hemi or big block, compared to a cheaper Dodge or Plymouth, which was more likely to come with a 6-cyl or the more antiquated wideblock. The pricier models were also more likely to have a 3-speed Torqueflite, as opposed to the 2-speed Powerflite. That's all ancient history though. The Concorde/300M matches the Intrepid engine for engine, and tranny for tranny (unless they've limited autostick availability). And even with the high-output V-6, the only difference between the Chrysler and Dodge comes at 90-100% of wide-open throttle, and that's more computer programming than engine differences.
#25 of 63 The new Concorde replaced the New Yorker
Jan 13, 2003 (7:45 am)
and moved its badge onto the larger body style of the LHS, but it's still the same family. Engine and transmission, as well as most other components are identical between the Concorde, LHS and Intrepid.
The 300M is nearly identical to the Intrepid R/T, including most wiring harnesses.
Jan 14, 2003 (7:01 am)
The generalizations about these closely similar vehicles are interesting, yet not indicting. My observations over many years come down to this: Some folks have a lot of trouble with various cars, and it tends to be repetitive in their lives. Some folks seem to get along very well with most any car they buy, and don't experience the big troubles reported by their counterparts.
One secret to success is don't keep many of these contraptions beyond, say, 80K... [;^/
#27 of 63 Now don't say that!!
Jan 14, 2003 (7:42 am)
My Intrepid's going to be at 80K in a few months! Actually, I'll be happy as long as it hits 100,000 miles around the same time it's paid off. The extended warranty is up at 100K, and after that point, I figure if it does blow an engine or drop a tranny, I won't have to worry about owing money on a non-running car.
I knew a guy with a Ford Probe that was in a situation like that. He bought a '94 in early '97, and financed it for 5 years. The tranny went out the first time while it was still under warranty. The second time though was at 86K, and I think he still owed about 2 years on the car. He couldn't afford to get it fixed, so it just sat in front of his parents' house and he kept making payments on it until he finally had the money.
One thing I can't stand is having to make car payments AND sink money into major repairs! Give me one or the other, but not both at the same time!
Jan 14, 2003 (9:25 am)
If you don't want both, I'd suggest staying away from DC products. I plan to stay as far away as I can get!
Jan 14, 2003 (10:36 am)
BOTTGERS: Excellent idea. I too wouldn't touch a DC offering with a 3m pole. A downside to the takeover is that the previously high reputation of the Daimler offerings are now tainted by the perception of low quality that clings to the Cryco side.
Jan 14, 2003 (7:11 pm)
I mean, like, really harsh, Dude... !
What about JEEP? It remains Daimler Chrysler. A friend was test driving a Liberty today, and I went along for the ride (literally).
#31 of 63 I read an article somewhere...
Jan 14, 2003 (7:20 pm)
...that Chrysler's warranty claims on the 2002 models are costing about 20% less than they did a year ago on the 2001 models. So either they ARE improving them, or they're finding cheaper ways to fix them! (or denying more claims!)
#32 of 63 I like the Liberty,
Jan 14, 2003 (7:29 pm)
but I've seen 6 cases so far where they've shelled their transmissions (autos). They are using the same basic model as is found in the Cherokee and the base Grand Cherokee.
Jan 14, 2003 (7:47 pm)
Any chance those 6 cases were first year problems? I am hoping here that the 2003 model is improved (typical new model changes in response to early build failings).