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#966 of 1963 Air Intake Tube -- BIG PROBLEM!
Feb 05, 2005 (4:17 pm)
Hello all....Thought I would share an experience I had with my 05 Dodge Magnum, in the hopes it may help others. I bought a brand new 05 Magnum RT in early December 04. On Jan. 5th 2005, there were substantial rains here in Ohio where I live. I came to a 500 foot section of road that was covered with water. A little Pontiac Sunfire (that was lowered, no less) went through the stretch without a problem. I figured my big bad RT could make it through no problem. The road was up to 9" deep in spots, but you couldn't tell. I started through and got about halfway through when my car died. It wouldn't start up, and I called 911. Long story short, I sat there in my "dead in the water" RT for 45 minutes until someone came to push me out. By that time, the floor had 2" of water laying on it, and I was absolutely sick! My car only had 1500 miles on it! I had it towed back to the dealership where I bought it, and they were in shock that that little amount of water had caused the car to die. Well, it turns out the air intake tube snakes down through the left front fender and is only about 5" off the ground! This thing acts like a constant vacuum when the motor is running, so for the first 250' of driving through the water, I was sucking up 35 degree water into my motor, which caused it to hydrolock (the dealership estimated that 30 gallons went through the motor). The cold, 38 degree water on a 200 degree motor caused big problems, basically ruining the whole drivetrain. The dealership told me they could put a new drivetrain in it, but the warranty would be void, even with a crate motor. I couldn't believe what I was hearing! They also discovered that the water on the floor had found it's way into the airbag sensors that are mounted on the floor underneath the seats. Lucky for me, my husband is an employee in the body shop at the dealership where I bought the car, and as a result, he deals with our insurance adjuster quite often on other customer's cars. Between the dealership and the insurance adjuster working with us very well, they totaled the car, and reimbursed me for the purchase price. I ordered another Magnum identical to my first one, and I received it on January 20th, but I'm telling you all, I am afraid of water now! As a matter of fact, the first thing I did when I got home was to order an aftermarket K&N air intake for the car so it would be located at the top of the motor. It hasn't arrived yet, but I think the $190 for the new intake system is well worth it if it could save me from ruining another $30K car. Also, I took the car to the local car wash yesterday and just used the rinse spray on it (and stayed FAR away from the intake!!) I didn't even spray the grille area. I live only 2 1/2 miles from the car wash, and as I was coming home, I stopped in front of my mailbox before pulling into the driveway and the car stalled! I kind of panicked for a second, but put it back in park and it started right back up. But, then...I put it in reverse to move in my driveway, and although the lever physically moved to the "reverse" position, it did not engage (I gave the car gas and the RPMs went up, but wouldn't move...it stayed this way for about 5 seconds until I put the car back in park. I tried reverse again and it worked this time. It's run fine since then, but I can't help but to think that these cars have some electrical weakness when exposed to water. I'd be curious to hear from anyone else who might have experienced the same intake problem that I had, or any stalling issues. Despite the problem with the stalling and intake problem, I still love the Magnum. It's so retro cool and the motor's got great power, top end and acceleration. My husband doesn't care for the pause the transmission seems to have when moving from reverse to drive or park to drive. I noticed that both cars did that, and they both seemed to pull to the right, like I've seen others post about on this board. Anyhow, since hubby works at a Dodge dealership, I should be able to keep up with any TSB's or any issues that might come up with the car. I will be sure to pass any info on that I become privy to! Meanwhile, I plan on enjoying my Magnum to the fullest and hope you all do the same.
#967 of 1963 Re: Air Intake Tube -- BIG PROBLEM! [speedysweetie]
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Feb 05, 2005 (6:19 pm)
One thinh about flooding...
Even if you want to go against better judgment and traverse standing water, never do it immeidately behind another vehicle. The wake they create will cause waves that make a significant difference in depth (depending on how fast they went through it), and those waves kicked up into wheelwells will get into any air intake. I drive a Dodge Ram 4x4 dually, and I can easily ride through 15 inches of standing water. But I always wait until the water has settled down from the vehicle in front of me.
Next time your Magnum is on stands or a lift, check where wiring and seals are, and determine where water spray could affect it (car wash), or how deep a flood may splash it. You may want to consider wrapping or sealing any such wiring to prevent further moisture issues.
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#968 of 1963 Water, Pull to Right Is Old Issue, Solved
Feb 05, 2005 (7:37 pm)
Speedysweetie: Sorry to hear of your mishap.
Thanks for the good advice. There has been much discussion of alternate air intakes on other forums, as several are now available, so there is no need to waste time trying to fabricate one.
Many cars have air intakes down below the air filter box, so avoiding standing water is always a good idea, plus there is no way to tell how deep it is (there could be an open manhole or whatever). Of course, always avoid moving/flowing water.
The pull to the right is and old issue with the early production cars, and was solved a long time ago.
#969 of 1963 Re: Finally decided to order a Magnum [fsmmcsi]
Feb 06, 2005 (2:51 pm)
I, too, am toying with the FS and the Magnum. One question,,did you drive the 3.5L V-6 and compare it to the FS or just the RT?
I love the shape of the Magnum compared to the FS. I am a little nervous about buying a first year design (I bought a 1986 Sable when they came out).
Anybody care to comment on the 3.5L? I don't think I need the "Hemi".
#970 of 1963 Re: Air Intake Tube -- BIG PROBLEM! [speedysweetie]
Feb 06, 2005 (3:03 pm)
Magnum has 5.6" ground clearance for 2WD and 6.6" for AWD models.
Driving through any significant amount of standing water is always risky. Driving through standing water that is higher than a vehicles ground clearance is asking for trouble.
Thankfully, you are OK and you were insured, hopefully not with same insurer I have;)
During the recent heavy rain there were several incidents of drivers driving around barricades and then becoming stalled in water. Two incidents where they were driving fast enough to hydroplane.
Feb 06, 2005 (3:06 pm)
250 HP and it drives like it has 250 HP. Very nice. To describe the Magnum with 3.5L in one word "Impressive". The Hemi is WOW, WOOO HOOO!
#972 of 1963 Magnum vs Freestyle, 3.5V6
Feb 06, 2005 (4:25 pm)
Jaki30 - If you price the Magnum with the 3.5 V6 and with the HEMI, then compare the equipment which comes with, or is only available with, the HEMI, it seems that the HEMI only adds about $1,000 to the price. The gas mileage is essentially the same for all three - Magnum 3.5 V6, Magnum HEMI, and Freestyle. While you may not often need the extra power, it surely would be good to have it when you do need it - getting out of the way of something coming towards you, passing quickly and safely, hauling loads without bogging down, and so forth.
A Magnum SXT with the 3.5 V6 and options AFD comfort seating group, RC6 Boston Acoustics speakers, ADB protection group, RSP U-connect, AMU performance appearance group, RSA Sirius radio, and WPR 18" polished wheels has an invoice price of $27, 626.
A Magnum RT with options AHN convenience group II, AFC electronics convenience group, ADB protection group, RSP U-connect, and RSA Sirius radio has an invoice price of $30,842.
You can get the 3.5 V6 with the five speed automatic by buying the four wheel drive model. For 2006 the 5-speed Mercedes-Benz design automatic may be standard on all models, but for now the V6 RWD cars have the old Chrysler four speed automatic, and that makes those cars less desireable. The five speed would help with acceleration and mileage.
#973 of 1963 Re: Magnum RWD RT [ddunlap]
Feb 08, 2005 (7:41 am)
I'm planning to order a RWD RT. What do you think is a fair offer to make to the local dealers (I have 3 to choose from) with regard to cost? I was planning to ask that I get the invoice price and see what they say. Should I ask them to go into their holdback? I ordered an Intrepid ES in February 1999 and got it in 4 weeks, built just like I wanted it, at a little less than invoice.
Thanks for your input.
#974 of 1963 Re: Magnum RWD RT [smithed]
Feb 08, 2005 (9:49 am)
They way the car is selling, I would stick with invoice and you keep any incentives that may be available. They make 3% on a car and you get what you want. A fair deal all around. I think you are pushing it to ask them to go into their holdback, but that is merely my opinion. Good luck. Your order will be for a 2006.
Feb 08, 2005 (10:20 am)
Bought a new RWD SXT over the weekend. Paid $100 under invoice plus received the $1,000 'loan rebate'. Plan to pay off the loan in 3 months.