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#31 of 1877 elegant and sophisticated by qualityguy Apr 17, 2003 (12:22 pm)
elegant and sophisticated is sort of a stretch, but different from anything cab-forward built up to now, and retro-cool. elegant and sophisticated design was it up to now. it's not bettet or worth - it's different. and change is good.
#32 of 1877 by argent Apr 17, 2003 (3:12 pm)
I'd like the 300C concept car a lot more --stylistically, at any rate -- if it were a two-door hardtop rather than a pillared sedan. It's odd that the pillarless hardtop, that quintessentially American body style, survives today only on high-end German coupes. I could do without a revival of fins or the fake Continental spare tire (the infamous "toilet seat" decklid) of the late 50s Chrysler 300s, but a hardtop would've been nice.   See:
#33 of 1877 Chrysler is Going DOWN by mkco Apr 22, 2003 (6:50 am)
IMO, Chrysler's new design direction is a disaster. The slit windows and tanklike looks lack any elegance or style. I'm not sure RWD is gonna make it either in family cars for Midwesterners. The MB guys just don't "get it," doing THEIR thing with Chrysler instead of OURS.
#34 of 1877 rwd by rusty104 Apr 22, 2003 (4:27 pm)
Before computerized controls on the drive wheels I didn't like rwd either, but with todays technology I prefer the rwd. I think DC does get it and has gotten it. How many luxury cars are fwd? Lexus, BMW, Rolls, Jag and so on. I live in the Northeast and would welcome a Magnum or a 300C.
#35 of 1877 If you'd rather have a V8...... by indydriver Apr 22, 2003 (6:18 pm)
then you better be man enough to handle a RWD vehicle. The LX line will be very successful for DC and will usher in a new golden era for Chrysler and Dodge CARS. Doesn't everyone see that the minivan is dying? And as Trevor Creed so adroitly observed, "What comes after the SUV?"
#36 of 1877 Styling by rusty104 Apr 23, 2003 (3:59 am)
Although I know that styling is a personal thing (witness the highly successful PT Cruiser which some people hate) I like the DC upcomming offerings. I also like Ford's Jag but am unimpressed with their domestic cars which seem to have taken their styling cues from a suppository. I think that GM is off the track with its Robocop inspired designs for some of the new Caddys and Pickups and as for the back ends of the Buick Rendezous and its Pontiac stablemate, both make me feel like I've just been mooned by a 400 lb lady. GM seems most happy with the design of it's snorific Saturn which it proudly compares on TV ads with a bunch of cardboard boxes.
#37 of 1877 by fsv Apr 23, 2003 (12:32 pm)
M-da, design is kind of, strange... I have problem to believe, that the car will be run-away success due to it's looks only. May be, overal value and performance will help, but I liked the cab-forward thing better. RWD - as former top-of-the-line Lincoln LS owner I can say - gadgets help, but only so much. I remember the drive in CT, in icy rain, with the road covered with ice - if not for a little snow on the side of the road, I would have ended up on a few occasion the the whatever Hell is the name of that river in Trumbull's vicinity... Powerfull engine + RWD = don't drive on ice. On the other hand, can say, that my Subaru on ice is the same nightmare to drive. But, how many days like these do we have a year? Good DC design/bad GM design - problem with GM is they only go half-way. If you do something, be bold in it's presentation. GM, in my opinion, should get rid of 75% top & some line management, cut workforce in half and get rid of UAW (I just love driving on a bridge, which has 2 lanes closed for last 5 years, on the only line open has a pothole on a pothole, and read the sign "Union Job" and "Your Taxes at Work" - and all that after 2 hours of a traffic jam) - but coming back to GM - and be organization of loosesy connected car manufacturing companies; the GM engineers have designed many brilliant car, but their unbeliveably ignorant management will choose Atztec over common sence and everything else. The problem with Caddilac - it goes only half-way to MB or RR design - while you have to be better to make people to talk about you and desire your product; not just alike, but better. Hope somebody from GM reads this. On the other hand, whatever Dodge does - they take it all the way. I like this. Hope execution will be on par with the look. Saturn comparison - that's mean - you shouldn't make fun of sick and weak and impared and challenged in every respect. That's mean, bro...
#38 of 1877 is it the new 300N by stifflers_mom Apr 25, 2003 (7:21 pm)
I live up here in the fridgid northern Minnesota and lucky me chrysler hasthere testing grounds headquarters just 60 miles away, theri daily rout for all the future cars drives right by my house so i get a chance to look at all these covered wagons and what not when they happen to drive by next time i'll snap a pic and see if you guys can figure it out what it is im assuming the new 300N and i doesnt look anything like the previouse post so sit tight gentelmen
#39 of 1877 by fsv Apr 26, 2003 (8:14 pm)
was a few hour ago in NY autoshow. Saw Chrysler 300. Lady introducing the car - in her late 40ith; dressed in black pants and glittering blouse; paints stained with some white stuff on the left hip, blouse - you wouldn't believe that but it has a lot of holes on the back - the lady looks like a worthy companion of Joe Dirt from the movie with the same name (who doesn't believe me - show is still open tomorrow). And ... whatever; let the lady be. The fact, that she was as friendly as a rattle snake, when you step on it's tail (folks from south will appreciate this one) is the worst impression. The car - 300 looks good. when some watsh video, they might assume they see a Rolls; it isn't; but it's cool. It is smaller, and it looks better tha any RWD offerings from Ford - though 427 is a very good looking car. It (300) definitely looks as better choice than Magnum, which is small, extremely low (rear sear must be a killer). BUT: Nissan Maxima will be very strong competition - similar in size and performance; better quality. These are my impressions so far; am really pissed with DC people. By the way, on www.motortrend.com you can see 300 video; again, car appears bigger, than it is, but still looks good. Will post some more making sence info tomorrow.
#40 of 1877 Auto show by rusty104 Apr 27, 2003 (4:07 am)
Thanks for the update fsv, I agree the Maxima is a great car. Hopefully DC will tackle quality control with the new 300 and Magnum. I guess DC will be putting a mix of proven Mercedes parts in the new ones; they have got to know that quality is what everyone wants now. The size is about what the LS430 and the BMW 745 are except the DC ones have a bigger wheelbase. As for performance if they put the 345 hp 375 torque hemi in them then the Maxima will certainly be outgunned for acceleration.

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