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#9284 of 13034 Re: 2009 honda cr-v holdback [2009h]
Oct 17, 2009 (8:56 am)
Auto Dealer Holdback policy are all different ... below is an article on HOLDBACK
Just What is Dealer Holdback?
Dealer holdback is a percentage of the MSRP or Invoice of a new vehicle that is paid to the dealer directly by the manufacturer to assist with the dealership's profit margin. The internet has "let the cat out of the bag" so to speak with regards to giving the consumer access to previously unknown dealer secrets and tricks. By knowing about the holdback, you can use it as a negotiating tool in many cases.
The manufacturer gives the the dealer what is termed "holdback" on each new vehicle sold. On a vehicle that MSRP’s for $25,000 the "holdback" will be in the neighborhood of $700 to $1,000!
The total invoice cost of the car is due to the manufacturer, payable by the dealership, when the vehicle is ordered, not when it is sold. Since car dealerships must have an inventory on hand so you can browse and select a vehicle, they must borrow money from the bank to pay for that inventory (called "flooring"). The manufacturer pays for financing and maintenance for the first 90 days that the vehicle is on the dealer's lot, in the form of a quarterly check called a holdback. After the first 90 days, the dealership dips into its own pocket, and into its own profit, to finance the car. However, we all know that most cars don't stay on the lot for three months especially Toyota's, Honda's and your more popular vehicles of today.
This amount is unknown to you - until now. If the car sells within 90 days of the dealer taking delivery, he is guaranteed a profit even if the vehicle is sold to you at cost. Because of the holdback, the dealer can advertise a car at $1 over invoice and still make hundreds if not thousands of dollars on the sale.
However, the true "profit" of holdback money depends on how long the car has been on the lot. If our hypothetical Chevrolet had been sitting there for 45 days before you bought it, the dealer's holdback profit is only half of what it could have been, or only $300, cutting total profit on the deal to $840. At the 90-day mark, holdback profit has disappeared.
Dealer holdback allows dealers to advertise big sales. Often, ads promise that your new car will cost you just "$1 over/under invoice!" In addition the dealer stands to reap further benefits if there is some sort of dealer incentive or customer rebate on the car. Generally, sale prices stipulate that all rebates and incentives go to the dealer. Using the example above, let's see what happens when there is a rebate.
Suppose the car described above has a $1,000 rebate in effect. You need to subtract that $1,000 rebate (remember, the dealer is keeping the rebate) from the dealer invoice of $18,000, which results in a new dealer invoice of just $17,000. Now, you must calculate a fair price.. In this example, TMV (the market value) measures 3 percent of dealer invoice at $17,510, which means that the price you should try to buy the car for is $510 over invoice, plus destination, advertising, taxes, and fees. The dealer is still making as much as $1,110 and you're paying $2,490 less than the MSRP. Remember, the longer the car has been in the dealer's inventory, the less money the dealer is making.
Almost all dealerships consider holdback money sacred, and are almost always unwilling to share any of it with the consumer. Your best strategy is to avoid mentioning that you know the holdback amount and what it is during negotiations. Mention holdback only if the dealer gives you a hard time about not making any money when you know that isn't true.
So how can you benefit from the dealer holdback information? If the dealership doesn't have that special shade of blue you're interested in, and they can't find it at another dealership in the area, they have to order it directly from the manufacturer. If that's the case, make sure that they know that you know about the holdback. If a vehicle is special-ordered, holdback money is pure profit, and you will need to consider this when well into negotiations.
When calculating dealer holdback, use the following guidelines.
Following is a current list of makes and the amount of the 2010 dealer holdback.
Domestic manufacturers (Ford, General Motors and Chrysler) generally offer dealers a holdback equaling 3% of the total sticker price (MSRP) of the vehicle. Foreign manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen and others) provide varying holdback amounts that are equal to a percentage of total MSRP, base MSRP, total invoice or base invoice, as shown below.
Make - Holdback
Acura - 3% of the Base MSRP
Audi - No holdback
BMW - No holdback
Buick - 3% of the Total MSRP
Cadillac - 3% of the Total MSRP
Chevrolet - 3% of the Total MSRP
Chrysler - 3% of the Total MSRP
Dodge - 3% of the Total MSRP
Ford - 3% of the Total MSRP
GMC - 3% of the Total MSRP
Honda - 2% of the Base MSRP
HUMMER - 3% of the Total MSRP
Hyundai - 2% of the Total Invoice
Infiniti - 1% of the Base MSRP
Isuzu - 3% of the Total MSRP
Jaguar - No Holdback
Jeep - 3% of the Total MSRP
Kia - 3% of the Base Invoice
Land Rover - No Holdback
Lexus - 2% of the Base MSRP
Lincoln - 2% of the Total MSRP
Mazda - 2% of the Base MSRP
Mercedes-Benz - 3% of the Total MSRP
Mercury - 3% of the Total MSRP
MINI - No Holdback
Mitsubishi - 2% of the Base MSRP
Nissan - 2% of the Total Invoice
Pontiac - 3% of the Total MSRP
Porsche - No Holdback
Saab - 2.2% of the Base MSRP
Saturn - 3% of the Total MSRP
Scion - No Holdback
Subaru - 2% of the Total MSRP (Amount may differ in the Northeast)
Suzuki - 3% of the Base MSRP
Toyota - 2% of the Base MSRP (Amount may differ in Southern U.S.)
Volkswagen - 2% of the Base MSRP
Volvo - 1% of the Base MSRP
When calculating dealer holdback, use the following guidelines.
If the dealer holdback is calculated from the:
•Total MSRP: you must include the MSRP price of all options before figuring the dealer holdback.
•Base MSRP: you must figure the holdback before adding desired options.
•Total Invoice: you must include the invoice price of all options before figuring the holdback.
•Base Invoice: you must figure the holdback before adding desired options.
#9286 of 13034 Re: 2009 honda cr-v holdback [bigdadi118]
Oct 18, 2009 (6:54 am)
Thanks much for the information. No wonder the dealers are quoting higher prices for 09 cr-v.
#9287 of 13034 Re: 2009 honda cr-v holdback [2009h]
Oct 18, 2009 (8:16 am)
Hold back is one thing.....stock is also why prices are kept high. South Alabama have very few CR-V's on their lots. I was told cash for clunkers was a big hit and moved many CR-V's. Makes me feel great as a tax payer when not only am I subsidizing the automotive industry.....BUT not catching a break on sticker price. I'll just wait things out!
#9288 of 13034 Re: CRV EX or EXL in Massachusetts [davlee]
Oct 19, 2009 (7:26 am)
I had a pretty good experience at Atamian in Tewksbury. Frankly I didn't have the time to spend haggling with people so I just sent emails to the 4-5 best-rated dealerships in my area (per dealerrater.com) to get price quotes. Atamian was the winner by quite a bit. This was for an EX-L 4WD without nav. Price including destination was about $24,800 for the '09 and $25,700 for the '10.
#9289 of 13034 Re: 2010 CRV EX - Virginia, Maryland or West Virginia [vrm]
Oct 19, 2009 (8:57 am)
Best quote I have gotten for a 2010 CRV FWD in MD is $22998 including freight & processing. No other options. The only things to add are tax/tags. Is that a good price? Or should I shop around a little more?
#9290 of 13034 Re: CRV EX or EXL in Massachusetts [lumbergh]
Oct 19, 2009 (10:10 am)
So, your quote for $25,700 for the 2010 EXL- 4WD without Navi... how did you go about getting it? Did you you just ask for a quote or did you "show what you know" or "please your case" or any other tactics???
Any of you who have similar quotes for this model - please answer as well.
I am looking to put in offer or ask for quote today for local dealers. I've done inventory searches online for the Twin Cities (Minneapolis) in MN (which is where I live). I can only find 2 in the color I want, but I'm willing to budge on color. Still, there are only about 20 or so of these models in my large metro area.
Thanks so much!
#9291 of 13034 Re: CRV EX or EXL in Massachusetts [lumbergh]
Oct 19, 2009 (12:30 pm)
Thanks for sharing your quotation.
Do you have any thoughts on whether it's good time to purchase in Oct or end of December?
I had such a bad experience in August timeframe that I just wonder when to start looking again.
#9292 of 13034 Re: Best Price for CR-V 2010 LX [blueiedgod]
Oct 20, 2009 (8:54 am)
It still shows pretty high I guess, because I have read in this same forum for a XL-with Navi, it was quoted undre 26k, but the website (you suggested) shows 26752!
i am still confused between basic model and high end model though!
Oct 20, 2009 (6:41 pm)
HELLO, HAS ANYONE BOUGHT A 2009 OR 2010 HONDA CRV LX 4X4 LATELY ,
IN WV OR PA? I MIGHT BUY ONE SOON AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT
OTHERS PAID SO I WILL KNOW WHAT TO OFFER. THANKS