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Honda CR-V, Wagon, SUV
#9143 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [bigd519]
Sep 21, 2009 (9:02 am)
My wife and I are relocating to the western ny region and need a car for the first time (city folk!). We are pretty much sold on the CR-V and need to buy as soon as we move (next week!) so we cant wait for the '10s.
Some info - looking for an 09 or used 07, 08
would like the EX trim awd, no leather needed.
So - I was looking at this used '08 with a retail value of 23,995 - http://ps.getauto.com/group/details/91/6495/JHLRE48528C001115/
So i compared that pirce on kbb and they have a retail of 25,700 - http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingReport.aspx?YearId=2008&VehicleClass=Used- - Car&ManufacturerId=18&Condition=Excellent&ModelId=126&PriceType=Retail&VehicleId- - =197276&Mileage=25000&SelectionHistory=197276|31416|14224|0|0|
Edmunda has a retail of 21,102 - http://www.edmunds.com/used/2008/honda/crv/100933618/options.html?tmvaction=vdpr- - esult
how is kbb and edmunds so different? and why would the dealer be selling at 23,995 when truecar says a good deal can be had on a NEW 09 for 24,000 - http://truecar.com/Honda/CR-V/2009/best-price-report-3FA694E8.html?colorInfo=Roy- - al%20Blue%20Pearl,Black,25405,0,2009%20Honda,CR-V,4WD%205dr%20EX,2009_Honda_CR-V- - _Royal_Blue_Pearl.jpg&trimId=308102&modelId=18842&zipcode=14224 ?
Thanks for reading and helping out!
Based on the zipcode in your link, you are looking at East Aurora. If you are like many of NYC expatriats in the Buffalo area, you want to live in the Northtowns. You will have a lesser chance of being snowed in the winter. Northtowns get half as much snow as the Southtowns.
Amherst, Clarence, Williamsville, East Amherst, Snyder, and maybe Lockport are where majority of NYC expatriats live, includng us. I moved here 5 years ago, and have not looked back. It is nice to visit NYC, but your life is much more peaceful living here. A few people commute to NYC. You'll see a "sea of suits" at the airport early on Monday mornings. JetBlue has flights as low as $29 to JFK. So, if you are planning for a Wednesday Matenee, you can get out of work at noon, go to the show on Broadway, and be back home same night.
There are 4 Honda dealerships in the immediate vicinity, Don Davis (my favorite), Lia Honda, West Herr Honda and Ray Laks. Plus there are at least 5 more Honda dealers within 1 hour's drive. 1 hour's drive is not 5 miles, like in NYC, but rather 60-80 miles.
I believe Don Davis will sell at Edmunds' TMV with just a mild mentioning of the TMV.
Ray Laks is good too, they sell parts online at a deep discount www.hondaacuraworld.com and not only for cars, but bikes, and power equipment.
Good luck with the move.
#9145 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [bigd519]
Sep 21, 2009 (6:32 pm)
I picked up a new 2009 CR-V EX AWD from West Herr recently and paid $22,700 plus tax (8.75% in Erie County), tags and fees. (FYI, your fees may be lower if you are transferring plates. I needed a new set.) My OTD was $24,914.75, no extras. If West Herr is close to you, I would definitely recommend that dealership. I can certainly give you the sales person's name.
Don Davis had six Glacier Blues in stock and they wanted $22,800 plus for that color. Lia's lowest quote over the phone was $22,850 plus and the Internet Manager at Dick Ide of Rochester wanted $22,990 plus.
Hope this helps. I really love the car and am happy with the deal I got. Best of luck to you!
#9146 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [rlawjddk]
Sep 22, 2009 (6:06 am)
rlawjddk - thanks for the info. We test drove the 08 at Ray Laks last night and was pleased with it. Still considering the outback and maybe the rav4.
Anyways, if we decide to go with the crv, could i ask for an OTD price of 24k? Would that seem unreasonable?
#9147 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [blueiedgod]
Sep 22, 2009 (6:10 am)
blueiedgod - we are actually in the city of buffalo and know the area very well, but thanks for all your information! I believe we are going between Wet Herr, Don Davis, and Ray Laks. Now I just need to know what price to offer for an OTD price on a 2009...any help?
#9148 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [bigd519]
Sep 22, 2009 (8:53 am)
Now I just need to know what price to offer for an OTD price on a 2009...any help?
Take the price of the car your are comfortable paying inclusive of destination charge, add sales tax, and if you are getting new plates, the cost of the plates, registration... ect, and you should have a number.
For example, if you negotiate $22,800 for the car inclusive of destination charge, then your sales tax will be $1995 (8.75% in Erie County). Registration is probably another $60, I believe new prices went into effect Sept. 1st.... You are already at $24,855....
Make sure you have full coverage (if you are financing) insurance in place before picking up the car.
The guides on here are very useful, it may be a good idea to read them.
#9149 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [bigd519]
Sep 22, 2009 (8:54 am)
bigd519 - With the exception of Lia, the prices I posted are all haggled. They all include the $710 destination charge, but not tax, tags, and fees. I did not go to Lia because a friend of mine had a bad experience.
Don Davis came down to $22,800 plus for the Glacier Blue only after I showed the printed e-mail from Lia. When I said I wanted the Red (not in stock), the guy offered to get it for me, demanded $23,000 plus and did not budge.
At West Herr, the sales person started by pulling up Edmunds.com's TMV price on the computer and asked me to make a reasonable offer on the car price, not OTD. $22,600 plus was flatly refused. Wanting to save time, I asked him to beat Don Davis' $22,800 plus. West Herr quickly matched that figure. So I pushed again for $22,600 plus to no avail. Then I said $22,700 plus. The guy made the trip to the manager's desk and returned with the keys.
In retrospect, I think could have asked for some extras - perhaps all-season mats, wheel locks, splash guards, or a cargo net. As I said, though, I was happy with the way I was treated and the numbers. I have no regrets.
Since 2010's are about to hit the lot, my guess is $24,500 OTD could be a good start or target. $24K seems to be on the low side, but the worst they can do is say no and ask you to try again, right? If you end up hitting my OTD, do try to score accessories.
#9150 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [rlawjddk]
Sep 22, 2009 (9:20 am)
Thanks so much for this information, You have been so helpful.
So here is the last question -
It seems like I can get a 2009 for 22,800 or so.
The 2008 we drove last night has a dealer retail TMV of 21,100
It has 25k miles, and is in pretty good condition.
Is it worth the extra 1,700 or so to get a new car with no miles? I know there is no objective answer to this, but would love your feedback.
#9151 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [bigd519]
Sep 22, 2009 (10:50 am)
It is definately worth it to go new. In depreciation alone you would get all or most of that back when you sold the car.
Plus, there is no way of telling why this year old car is up for resale already.
Plus, you will get the full warranty on the new model.
#9152 of 13040 Re: 1st time car buyer - help would be great! [bigd519]
Sep 22, 2009 (10:55 am)
Remember, I paid $22,700 plus tax, tags, and fees. If Glacier Blue is your color, I saw West Herr had some in stock.
For the used, your insurance premium could be lower. If it's certified used, you will probably get extra powertrain warranty and maybe some non-powertrain warranty. Powertrain failures are so rare these days that I tend not to value that too much, especially for a Honda or a Toyota. Surely dealers don't offer those warranties for free, so it could become a factor in your negotiation.
Needless to say, some haggling on your part is in order with Ray Laks over the 2008 you test drove. Dealers won't usually put Edmund's TMV price on the windshield. They might make the decision easy for you by either going way way below TMV or insisting on their sticker price.