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#69 of 243 Symptoms.... by wagonmeister Jan 24, 2003 (6:34 pm)
Those sound like the symptoms of the intermittent coil pack failure. If thats what it was, chances are it will happen again especially when its really cold. Eventually the pack will fail completely.   You might be able to learn more about your problem from here: http://clubb5.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=33587 It should give you a better indication of whether you are being affected by coilpack failure.
#70 of 243 Ignition Coils by flora43 Jan 26, 2003 (11:32 am)
Can anyone enlighten me just a little bit more. Is the ignition coil problem related only to the 1.8l turbo or is every Passat, Golf and Jetta involved? This includes also the famously praised 2.8l V6 engine as well?
#71 of 243 flora43 by 03honda Jan 26, 2003 (1:21 pm)
This might help you, it's an article from the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/026/auto/No_easy_fix_for_failin- g_ignition_coils_in_Audis_VWs+.shtml
#72 of 243 03 honda by flora43 Jan 26, 2003 (1:43 pm)
Thank your very much. This helps greatly. It's definitely not the V6, which is the car I was looking at. It sure does not provide confidence in the company with this kind of problem undermining VW's reputation.
#73 of 243 Passat Problems by medinamark Jan 26, 2003 (6:04 pm)
To all Passat owners and those considering: I purchased my Passat in April, 2002 and now have 17K. Repairs to date include the following: leaking valve cover and gasket - both replaced, leaking fuel injectors - all for injectors replaced, head light, dash rattles so bad that the Monsoon radio had difficulty covering - 3 visits to fix. Any now the famous coil failure! What is next? So to those in the market, the car (when I have it), handles great and the turbo4 is fast. But how much headache do you want to deal with? Buy a Honda!
#74 of 243 Well, well, well... by mrd63 Jan 26, 2003 (6:42 pm)
Clicked on the Boston Globe website today to catch up on the latest Red Sox news, and what do I see but the article by Royal Ford referenced above by flora43. Gosh, the symptoms described by Mr. Ford (loss of power, shaking, CEL blinking, etc.) sound exactly like what happened to my '02 Passat GLS 1.8T last October 22nd with 12.5K miles on the odometer. The dealership where I bought it (Quirk Imports in Quincy, MA) was too far away, so I drove (slowly) to a closer dealer (Volkswagen Of North Attleboro, MA). Had to leave the car but the work was done in one day. Replaced coilpacks 1 & 2, and thankfully they used new J series parts, not leftover H series. BUT...absolutely no mention was made that this was a known and recurring problem! They MUST have been aware of the issue, since they were using J's and not H's. I'm thankful I got such speedy service from a dealer who didn't know me from Adam, but I certainly feel I should have gotten some sort of warning that this might happen again. Fortunately, there have been no problems since then, despite bitterly cold weather in New England. But I drive 450 highway miles per week and I've got a trip to Montreal (from Providence) scheduled in less than a month. Like many another Globe reader, I'll be at my dealership bright and early tomorrow morning to find out just how they plan to address this situation.
#75 of 243 Coil #3 by bjbird2 Jan 27, 2003 (8:29 am)
This morning I had a third coil go out in my 2002 1.8T Passat. It was towed to the dealer, and I'm going to try everything I can to get the remaining 2 coils replaced. I don't want my wife to be stranded on the highway in sub-zero weather when the last one goes out. The dealer told me the good news is that there is no longer a backorder on the replacement coils and VW has them in stock. We'll see how long it takes to get the car back. Thankfully we do have a dealer supplied rental to drive while it's being repaired. When we called the dealer this morning they said there were owners walking in from stranded cars, and the temp here this morning was -9 degrees. I have to keep reminding myself that the Passat is such a fun car to drive when it's running. I've never had problems with the 2 Infinitis I own, only routine maintainance, and one of those is 10 years old.
#76 of 243 2001.5 Passat 1.8T Tip by pkradd Jan 27, 2003 (12:29 pm)
I've had my car for 19 months now. Two problems; the left rear brake light burned out and the trim along the passenger side above the door came loose. Both were fixed under warranty. No other problems. I live in a warm weather situation so perhaps the coils in my car may be unaffected or as is probably the case NOT ALL coils are defective. I understand the frustration of people who have problems with their Passats, but to be fair not everybody does. Heck, my 1998 Camry was not trouble free and was in the shop three times for nagging problems. I've traded off a boring sedan for a fun one and so far am completely satisfied. Making statements that infer that ALL Passats are derfective is unfortunate.
#77 of 243 Huge Problem by bjbird2 Jan 27, 2003 (1:14 pm)
pkradd, I don't think you have a clue about the scope of this problem for VW until you read this article from the Boston Globe Quote   No easy fix for failing ignition coils in Audis, VWs   By Royal Ford, 1/26/2003   One man, looking to escape his monolithic SUV but wanting to tackle slippery New England weather with all-wheel-drive, opted for an Audi A4. A Cambridge couple, baby on the horizon, looked for a good price, reliability, and a touch of sporty performance and chose the Volkswagen Passat. The Passat also caught the engineer's eye of a Marlborough father whose two sons were finally out of expensive braces and, though an Audi was out of reach, was able to rise with expectation from the worn seat of the Chevrolet Cavalier he had been driving for 12 years.   Theirs are not happy stories.   They are among more than half a million people who purchased 2001 and 2002 Volkswagens and Audis with 1.8-liter, 4-cylinder, turbocharged engines. Those engines are found in Audi A4s and TTs and in Volkswagen Jettas, Passats, New Beetles, and Golf GTIs.   The problem, and it is epidemic, is that the ignition coils in the vehicles are failing, leaving drivers to sputter off the road under greatly reduced power.   Volkswagen and Audi acknowledge that every coil on every cylinder in these cars is susceptible to failure. That's four coils for each of the 320,000 Volkswagens and 140,000 Audis (US auto sales) in question. (An ignition coil is a pulse transformer that boosts power from the battery or alternator to generate highly charged sparks for ignition in the cylinders. Some cars have one coil whose pulses are ''distributed'' in a timed pattern to the cylinders. Others, such as the 1.8-liter engines in question, have coils for each cylinder - in this case, four coils for four cylinders.)   And here is where the problem gets worse. The sibling automakers cannot get enough replacement coils (even as they build better coils for their current model year runs) to yank out all the bad coils and put in good ones.   So what are they doing?   If a coil fails, the owner has to limp or be towed to his or her dealer and get the bad coil replaced. Very few will replace the other ''bad'' coils that have not yet failed. That means drivers leave their dealership with one good coil and a sense of great trepidation because three other ready-to-fail coils lurk beneath the hood.   Tony Fouladpour, a Volkswagen spokesman, acknowledged that a second coil failure means a second trip to the dealership - and I assume a third and fourth.   ''It's not a situation we necessarily like,'' Fouladpour said, but added that with production limits, ''We're just trying to get people back on the road as fast as possible.'' And for those whose cars can't be fixed quickly, VW and Audi are picking up the tabs on rental or loaner cars.   There have been some reports of dealers rejecting those whose warranties have expired, even though their cars had faulty parts from the get-go. After all, there are those who drive more than 50,000 miles in a two-year period. Don't take that for an answer.   Jennifer Cortez, speaking for Audi, which has 4-year, 50,000-mile warranties, said that anyone who has exceeded the 50,000 miles should not feel left out. Contact Audi, she said. ''We will not leave them high and dry.''   It is the same story at VW, said Fouladpour.   ''On those specific parts, we're going to make good,'' he said.   But even being finally back on the road does not equate with being there with any confidence.   Kathleen Spencer and her husband Andrew McLean, of Cambridge, bought their 2001-1/2 VW Passat with a baby in their future. They bought it ''because of reviews saying it was a great car'' and after lots of research. They wanted a car that was not too expensive, was reliable, and did not say ''Soccer Mom on Board.'' (The last being my interpretation of a conversation with Spencer.)   The car failed, was taken to a dealership, and sat for a few days before it was acknowledged that their case was symptomatic of a massive problem with these cars, but that just one coil would be replaced.   The result?   While they use the car for around-town errands, Spencer and McLean will be spending their own dime to rent a car in the days ahead for a holiday trip.   ''I don't want to get stuck out on some icy road in Vermont,'' said Spencer.   Steve Lesser, the ex-SUVer from Ashland, chose a 2002 Audi A4 when he went shopping for a sporty ride.   He'd had the car for about eight months when, right after the first of the year and on a Friday night in commuter traffic on 128, he felt a thump, thought he had hit a pothole. Then, he said, he thought he might have a flat because of the way the car sloshed its way along the highway. Then the engine warning light came on, and he knew there was bigger trouble.   He called Audi assistance, was told to have the car towed, and when the tow truck had him hooked up, he climbed in with the truck driver.   ''I've been towing two or three of these a day,'' Lesser said the driver told him. Then the driver asked him if he had heard about the coil problem.   They rolled with the Audi to his dealership, Bernardi Audi in Natick, and pulled into a yard basically closed for the night except for a yard boy cleaning up.   Lesser said the tow truck driver asked where to put the Audi.   The response?   ''Over there with the other 25,'' Lesser recounted. And the yard boy diagnosed the problem for him - correctly.   Lesser is mad at Audi, not his dealer.   ''Absolutely, it's not the dealer's fault,'' he said.   The fault, in fact, lies with the supplier for Audi and Volkswagen, Bremi Auto Electrik in Germany. They built bad coils. Now they are running triple shifts (only Christmas Day was a day off in recent months) to try to catch up.   Yet it remains unclear what ''catching up'' means.   Even though Fouladpour said supply has doubled in the past week, most dealers are still replacing the coils one at a time.   ''The supply situation is getting better,'' he said. ''I couldn't have said that a month ago.''   Will there ever come a time when, emergency demand sated, people with suspect coils that have not yet failed will get them replaced, free of charge, just for peace of mind, for a sense of reliability, for faith in the car they have purchased?   That's unclear. And why not a recall?   Volkswagen does not see this as a recall issue, said Fouladpour, because recall issues are safety issues and, he said, this is not a safety issue.   I'd argue with that, given that I wouldn't want to find myself limping along Route 128 in high speed commuter traffic. Or crawling through Franconia Notch in New Hampshire, cold wind howling, late at night, returning from a ski trip.
#78 of 243 Huge Problem Part 2 by bjbird2 Jan 27, 2003 (1:32 pm)
For some reason the article from the Boston Globe was cut short in the above post. Here is the conclusion. Quote   Of course, the Internet is abuzz with this controversy, and I wonder, without the Internet, how long it would have taken for this problem to reach critical mass.   A sampling from the Internet:   ''Please tell me how is it that a car that is exactly one year old...has to be towed?''   ''I cried this morning as they towed my car for the second time in five weeks. It's only 18 months old.''   Douglas Philpott, the engineer from Marlborough who bought a 2002 Passat after his boys got out of braces and he got out of that well-worn Cavalier, might be considered one of the lucky ones.   His car failed back in September, before the epidemic had spread so widely, and he got all four coils replaced.   Yet he does not have faith in his car - and in the you-can-look-it-up department, lemon laws are based on the notion that when you buy a car, you purchase ''more than the sum of its parts,'' you also purchase faith. Do I smell class action suit here?   ''I keep my fingers crossed every time I start it,'' Philpott said of the time he spends in the car that was the glorious step up from the Chevy he drove for 12 years.   Royal Ford can be reached at fordglobe.com.   This story ran on page K1 of the Boston Globe on 1/26/2003. © Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

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