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#457 of 476 Let me take one step back and ask, is the XT engine still an EJ25 series?
Jun 22, 2003 (6:03 pm)
Page 12-3 owners manual 2004 Forester
"EJ251" is the non-turbo (SOHC) engine and "EJ255" is the turbo (DOHC) engine.
#458 of 476 Next Legacy price
Jun 22, 2003 (6:31 pm)
chassol wrote, "Steve - IMHO the 2005 Outback will probably have a turbo 3.0H and I think the price will probably be $2000-$4000 more than the Forester (now or later)."
Nearly everyone who guessed at the XT price prior to announcement guessed high, and maybe I'm falling into the same trap - but with Subaru's stated intent to move upmarket, I think any turbo 6-cyl Legacy with typical equipment will be MSR priced in the mid-$30K range (i.e. 7 or 8 thou more than a Forester XT). It might be possible to get the Legacy with a turbo 4 at or near $30, but I don't think you'll get the turbo 6 at that level. I'm not saying the Legacy turbo-4 and turbo-6 cars won't be worth these prices, just that I don't expect them to come in significantly under them.
#459 of 476 Next Legacy price by ballistic
Jun 22, 2003 (7:53 pm)
OK sorry forgot to mention 2004 XT was sticker $28,457 so if 2-4k over that would be say $30,500 to $32,500 sticker. Our 2002 VDC was $31,000 sticker, so if you can do $500 over invoice I'll still guess at sticker $30,500 to $32,500. What will determine the extra will be our economy at the time (Japan's too) and whatever else is made standard - single turbo or twin, GPS, Tiptronic Auto 5 speed, Brembo brakes and etc. BTW look at this http://www.edmunds.com/future/2005/subaru/legacy/100278086/previe- - - - w.html?tid=edmunds.f.mmindex.content..0.Subaru*
Jun 22, 2003 (8:58 pm)
Interesting. I would have guessed the EJ255 would take a larger oil filter because it is a higher output engine than the EJ251.
Jun 23, 2003 (6:01 am)
VDC and XT, not a bad fleet! I'm envious.
Given the XT costs $1300 more than an XS with the same equipment (a bargain for the extra power IMHO), we can expect about the same for the Legacy GT, which MSRPs just over $25k, and sells for under $23k (for a 5 speed sedan).
So the mid-level Legacy with the turbo engine will hopefully run just a little more than that. It will depend on how they equip it. Wagons cost a little more, but it could be kept under $30k if I'm right.
#462 of 476 First Impressions of XT MT
Jun 23, 2003 (6:53 am)
I now have 461 miles on my black XT MT that I picked up Friday evening. Here are my impressions to date.
It's a great car!
The Black is very classy looking (when clean).
I love the standard cloth interior. I looks great and feels much more upscale than my 98 S did.
The first thing that I noticed was not the power but the smoothness. The entire drivetrain is much smoother than my 98 and the handling is noticeably better.
The power is certainly there, although at first I was a little disappointed in the power delivery. I have owned several turbo cars over the years (the last being a 91 Eagle Talon Tsi) and I was expecting that 'kick in the back' sensation when the turbo comes in. It's just not there. Instead there is a strong, very smooth flow of power. I not sure I like the drive by wire throttle. The response to your right foot is not linear. The first 50% of the throttle produces 90% of the power, especially at highway speeds. That said, at on point on the highway I was cruising abot 75 and needed to pass and hit a hole up ahead. I floored it and not much seemed to be happining except I was passing very fast and had to apply a little brake to fit into the hole. I glanced at the speedo and I was doing just under 100! It's sneaky fast. Out of the toll booths I limited myself to 4500 rpm. I believe that the engine is just starting to get into it's best powerband at that rpm. In first and second gear the engine note turns into a growl as the revs increase. It sounds great. I have a feeling that last 2000 rmp are going to be FUN! Again I wish the throttle response was more linear, but that's my only complaint so far.
It's a great highway cruiser. On cruise control it effortlessly gobbles up the miles. It is quieter than my 98 at speed, but still not as quiet as my wife's 2000 Passat V6.
Overall I am very happy with the car. I can't wait to really wind it up through the gears.
Jack, I will be very interested to see if your impressions of your MT XT are the same as mine. I look forward to your report. I will report again after mine is broken in and I can really 'see what she'll do'.
I am going to post this message on the new Forester Turbo forum as well. Should we start using that instead of this one?
Jun 23, 2003 (10:01 am)
First XT 5 speed on Edmunds, at least that I know of. Congrats Les.
I agree that the turbo is smooth, it takes the edge off the exhaust especially. It's quieter than my 2.5l non-turbo.
Light-pressure tuning won't give that kick in the back, since boost builds more quickly but less extremely.
PS You can chip it for that kick, when those become available
Jun 23, 2003 (11:48 am)
juice writes "You can chip it for that kick, when those become available "
I would assume that chipping it would void the warranty. Do you know if that is the case? If so I would wait until the 5 year/50,000 mile extended powertrain warranty has expired. If it doesn't void the warranty I would be very interested in the chip when it's available. (Not that it really needs it, but you can never have enough power, right?)
Jun 23, 2003 (12:00 pm)
It's really similar to those in the WRX's that chip 'em to have the turbo come into play sooner.
It'll technically only void your warranty if the mod happens to be the cause of the damage, if they can prove it as well.
Jun 23, 2003 (12:30 pm)
I wouldn't modify a brand new XT that already performs so well IMO.
If you think about it the entire engine is affected by the boost level, even the drivetrain, AWD, differentials, clutch, tranny, and axles are all going to be under more stress.