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Subaru Forester, Engine, Wagon
#427 of 476 pleiad7 re: post #412
Jun 20, 2003 (6:29 am)
Oh no, I must have missed the fine print! VIP programs only allow you to purchase from stock, not to order? I joined ACA to take advantage of the VIP program and will be eligible come October.
edit: Okay, I checked and here's what ACA has to say:
"As part of the support that Subaru gives to the Association, ACA members are eligible for the Subaru VIP Partners Program. Save up to $3,000* off the manufacturers retail price – depending on model and equipment selected - on the purchase or lease of any new Subaru from participating dealers without haggling. Now that’s a member benefit! Plus, Subaru will make a special donation to the ACA Conservation Program for each new vehicle purchased by an ACA member.
"To qualify, you must be an ACA member in good standing for at least six months prior to purchase. Please contact the ACA National Office BEFORE visiting your local Subaru dealer. We will verify your current status with Subaru who will then mail you the appropriate authorization form. Click here to register, or call the ACA at 703-451-0141 if you have questions.
"(* From MSRP to dealer invoice. Limited time offer – subject to change without notice. Terms and conditions apply.)"
I don't see anything in here about having to purchase from dealer stock.
#428 of 476 Subaru VIP program
Jun 20, 2003 (7:12 am)
Ed - IMBA says it's up to the dealer's individual discretion which vehicles they make available for VIP invoice pricing. Officially, only the WRX STi is completely excluded from the program; however, my dealer has only one XT on the lot so far and doesn't want to let it go below MSRP. That's somewhat understandable and I don't really have a problem with it, since it didn't come with the desired options configuration and color anyway. He said that he will be able to sell one to me at invoice as soon as they have 5 or 6 of them on the lot, or he could try to acquire one from another dealer's lot.
Jun 20, 2003 (7:16 am)
That's a relief I guess. Again since it'll likely be October before I'm eligible - and even then I may not be ready to buy - initial demand should have been satisfied.
Jun 20, 2003 (7:31 am)
Are making it tougher to decide between the WRX wagon and XT Forester!
Going to swing on by the dealer this weekend and see if I can get a test drive in. Still, a test drive for 10 minutes isn't going to be enough.
Keept those reviews coming!
Jun 20, 2003 (7:39 am)
getting the lower mpg explained. Noticeable acceleration off the line explains right now why the mpg is lower. We have boost kicking in well below 3000 rpm (normal range). Note, the turbo does not affect the WRX as much because it doesn't kick in at low range.
#432 of 476 Re: I think we are...
Jun 20, 2003 (8:34 am)
My boost guage shows negative boost most of the time for just normal in-town driving in moderate traffic. Maybe the actual mpg won't be bad at all.
Jun 20, 2003 (9:31 am)
jack: I think you're doing the right thing by waiting for an XT on allocation. I would do the same.
John: Maybe those EPA testers just loved having the XT boost kick in and drove the MPG numbers down!
Jun 20, 2003 (9:41 am)
Forgot the mention this. The 5 speed did not have the boost gauge, but the auto I drove did.
Any how, it completely blocks the view of the temp and fuel gauges. They really need to find a better place to put it.
This is a minor complaint, mind you, especially since it's just an option. But I like turbo boost gauges and I would pass on this one.
Jun 20, 2003 (10:54 am)
Since the turbo boost gauge is mounted on the steering column, doesn't any obstruction it causes depend on how you have the wheel positioned? Or is the gauge positioned on the stationary portion of the steering column?
Jun 20, 2003 (11:48 am)
once_and_for_all wrote, "I think we are getting the lower mpg explained. Noticeable acceleration off the line explains right now why the mpg is lower. We have boost kicking in well below 3000 rpm (normal range). Note, the turbo does not affect the WRX as much because it doesn't kick in at low range."
The MPG debate (so far) has centered around the XT's mediocre EPA ratings (mainly because hardly anyone has compiled enough real-world numbers to evaluate yet). Your point would certainly be valid for an XT being driven hard, meaning that the XT's potent acceleration capability is actually being used. However, I don't believe the standardized EPA testing (which is tightly programmed and controlled to uniformly model typical everyday driving) would ever call on an XT to come anywhere near strong acceleration, either in the city cycle or the highway cycle. If the XT completes the EPA tests without ever needing to produce enough power to get into the boost range, then we still are left with the mystery: Why did the XT, with all of its important new technology that ought to enhance fuel efficiency (variable valve timing, electronic throttle control) do so poorly on the EPA testing?