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#774 of 784 Re: Experience [nortsr1]
Aug 14, 2010 (3:43 am)
Thanks nortsr1, that's a great way to handle it. I'll keep that in mind next time.
#775 of 784 Re: Experience [bocacoder]
Aug 14, 2010 (4:37 am)
You are most welcome. It always has worked for me....and believe you me....they always come out ahead on your trade-in. I have walked out several times from dealerships) only to be called back (more than once)....and they will agree to what I have asked. Always remember...if you can't get the price you want...you can ALWAYS walk out. Yes, maybe you have asked too much...but it is your money that they want.
If they let you walk out, then perhaps you have demanded too much...but...there is always another dealership somewhere.
And remeber this...if you are satisfied with the deal you get...be HAPPY... not two days later kicking yourself in the ass thinking you could have done better.
Since I purchase a new car (suv) every three years, beieve me, I have done a lot of purchasing and "negotiating" over the past years. I am 79 years old...so you know I have bought and negotiated a loy of new vehicles.
#776 of 784 FL Docs fees out of control
Mar 06, 2011 (2:02 pm)
The situation in northern virginia is likely the result of it being a border area with several states, and the dealers responding to the dealer doc fee laws in those states.
We don't have that 'problem' here in FL, because the appears to be no law or regulation and the doc fees have hit the stratosphere! $600 - probably more when i actually get to the dealership. Absolutely ludicrous. As northstar1 has stated, find out what it is, and account for that in your final price either on the car you're buying or trading.
#777 of 784 Re: FL Docs fees out of control [cadillacmike]
Mar 07, 2011 (11:32 am)
DOC fee translates into "Additional Dealer Profit". An attempt to legitimize a rippoff. After we settled on the cash price, the paperwork listed a DOC fee. We walked out without saying a word.
#778 of 784 Re: FL Docs fees out of control [euphonium]
Mar 09, 2011 (8:30 am)
They always do that, then act surprised like "Gee how'd that get there" or make it sound like everybody does it that way. Most will adjust the trade-in or price to account for it when you point it out to them, but it is slimy the way they try to slide it in there, hoping you won't notice.
#779 of 784 Re: FL Docs fees out of control [mikefm58]
Mar 09, 2011 (1:57 pm)
When its $699 it hard not to notice it!
#780 of 784 This thread has quieted down considerably
Jul 11, 2013 (9:01 am)
Its been quiet here on Doc fees.
That's strange because here in FL they have broken the stratosphere and are halfway to Jupiter. The Cadillac dealers are at $600-700.
But the absolute worst offenders are the kia dealers, they are at $700-800. I mean you have got to be kidding me, but they're not. I guess it's part of their plan the make the screamer ads touting "$3,000 minimum trade in" and still have a buyer walking out paying more than MSRP... WTF ???
I actually went to several kia dealers last spring (looking for my nephew) and yup, they add on way more than $3,000 in Doc fees, advert, and etc., so that the $13,000 MSRP kia rio (or whatever)r costs $14,000 AFTER the $3,000 trade in.
And this is on kias.
#781 of 784 Re: This thread has quieted down considerably [cadillacmike]
Jul 12, 2013 (2:58 am)
Kia dealers do seem a bit behind the times when it comes to selling. Any dealer which uses screamer ads are best avoided.
Regarding doc fees, the best way to handle these fees would be for all buyers to walk out. If this were to happen, I doubt it would take the dealers very long to eliminate this charade. Sadly this will not happen, there are simply too many unsophisticated buyers.
The most effective method a single buyer can use is to factor the amount into the purchase price, reduce the price to compensate for the doc fee. I recently bought a vehicle in Virginia. Dealer had a $499 doc fee. After we negotiated the bottom line, I told the sales person I would not pay the doc fee. The dealer quickly lowered the price by $250 and increased the trade value by $250. There was a guy at the next table who I heard take the same approach with similar success.
Anyone interested in an insider's perspective on doc fees should google Earl Stewart on Cars. He has some very insightful comments on the Florida doc fee fiasco.
#782 of 784 Re: This thread has quieted down considerably [cadillacmike]
Jul 12, 2013 (6:31 am)
Cadillacmike....go to Hollywood Kia.com No dealer fees
#783 of 784 Re: This thread has quieted down considerably [ken117]
Jul 12, 2013 (8:07 am)
Thanks. I looked Earl up. Jeez, it's even worse on the gold coast than on the sun coast. I think my next war will have to be another 1996 Fleetwood, the new car market is just too screwed up.
For those of you who do not know, Florida's "Gold coast" is the southern half of its Atlantic coast from approx West Palm on down, while the "Sun coast" is the gulf coast from approx Clearwater on down.