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Re: After finally agreeing on "the deal" [euphonium] by volvomax
Jun 30, 2009 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (Jun 30, 2009 8:47 am)

The DOC fee cheats the commissioned salesman as it is not a "commission income" item.
 
IF a salesperson was paid 100% commision I would agree. However, the vast majority of salespeople aren't just paid on commission. There are flat's,unit bonuses, CSI bonuses, demo allowances, all kinds of other ways for salespeople to get paid.
That money has to come from somewhere.
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [travist4] by lrguy44
Jul 02, 2009 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: travist4 (Jun 28, 2009 10:38 am)

The Doc fee has absolutely nothing to do with the sales dept profit on a car deal. The dealer principal sets the fee and all customers are charged the same fee. If you negotiate the fee, they will deduct it from the price of the car (sales profit) and still show the fee on the paperwork. This is to avoid a class action law suit (i.e. charge one-charge all). In my state most Doc fees vary from dealer to dealer from about $149-$499. If I or any employee including the GM, etc. buys a car, they too will be charged the Doc fee.
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [lrguy44] by euphonium
Jul 02, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Jul 02, 2009 5:14 am)

DOC fee, Environmental fee, Tire disposal fee, Service fee, Policy fees are paid by the insecure, meek, & pushovers who haven't the testicular fortitude to object.
 
Extracurricular charges are not defensible by threats of avoiding a class action lawsuit. All fees like the above are imposed, but not enforced by any statuate.
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Makes me ILL by cadillacmike
Jul 20, 2009 (7:55 am)
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I don't even want to THINK about what the local Cadillac dealers (FL) will be charging as DOC fees when i get home...
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [euphonium] by joel0622
Jul 20, 2009 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 02, 2009 10:05 am)

Extracurricular charges are not defensible by threats of avoiding a class action lawsuit. All fees like the above are imposed, but not enforced by any statuate
 
Tell that to the dealers in Georgia who a few years ago had the FTC come in there dealerships, do a full audit and required them to send checks for the DOC amount to every customer they ever charged it to for (I belive) the last 3 years.. They found a paper trail of some paying and some not. As was said earlier, we may have to bend on it occasionaly but every deal you pull in our building will show we charged it.
 
Also how can you say they are not enforced when most states have a law stating what they can be?
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [joel0622] by euphonium
Jul 20, 2009 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jul 20, 2009 2:52 pm)

What they can be and what they have to be are not the same.
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [euphonium] by jb_turner
Jul 21, 2009 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 02, 2009 10:05 am)

OTD is what matters.... we all pay it.
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [jb_turner] by euphonium
Jul 21, 2009 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: jb_turner (Jul 21, 2009 10:44 am)

True, but when the dealer itemizes it, the message is, "Here is how much more you are being charged."
 
I don't honor "Additional Dealer Profit" statements either.
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [euphonium] by lrguy44
Jul 21, 2009 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 21, 2009 11:18 am)

If you do not accept a Doc Fee itemized even if you have negotiated it away, you will not be able to buy a car in most states as Joel so eloquently explained. An ADM is BS in most cases, the exception being a special vehicle that is selling above MSRP.
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Re: Doc fee - processing fee (now you know) [lrguy44] by euphonium
Jul 22, 2009 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Jul 21, 2009 11:22 am)

Joel's post said to me "a few years ago had the FTC come in there dealerships, do a full audit and required them to send checks for the DOC amount to every customer they ever charged it to for (I belive) the last 3 years.. They found a paper trail of some paying and some not.
 
How does the above support mandatory DOC charges by dealerships when in GA, the fees were deemed by the FTC to be returned to each customer?
 
I also resent "Enviornmental Fees" that are charged for cleansing the greasy mechanics overalls and rags.

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