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#41 of 2239 by logic1 Feb 12, 2003 (1:22 pm)
By putting all the hp in the high end of the rpms where it is worthless to truck drivers. The GM engine will have all a flat torque curve giving steady good power to people who need it and know what they are talking about.
#42 of 2239 But it's not a truck! by joey2brix Feb 12, 2003 (3:30 pm)
The Equinox is going into the cross-over arena: an upscale mini-SUV. Great space and looks, but why is a '05 model running around with an iron block? I will look at replacing my CRV next year and this will come up against a new CRV. I have a funny feeling the Equinox will run second dragging that old 3.4L from China.
#43 of 2239 by logic1 Feb 12, 2003 (6:25 pm)
An upscale SUV? The Equinox will be starting at less than 20k.   Something tells me there will be a lot of buyers, whether you stay in your CRV rut or not.
#44 of 2239 by dindak Feb 12, 2003 (6:26 pm)
3.4L may not be the most modern engine, but it's very reliable, smooth and has lots o torque. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.   The VUE will have a Honda 3.5L option next year if you want a bigger motor.
#45 of 2239 by diploid Feb 12, 2003 (6:47 pm)
From Edmunds review of the Pilot: "Its refined and sophisticated 3.5-liter V6 produces 240 horsepower at 5,400 rpm and 242 pound-feet of torque at 4,500 rpm with the aid of Honda's Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control (VTEC).   Besides providing for a relatively flat torque curve (with ample acceleration at low to mid rpm) and strong performance at high engine speeds, VTEC boosts fuel economy."   I wouldn't call the torque output useless.
#46 of 2239 diploid by dindak Feb 13, 2003 (5:53 am)
For what 90% of the population does with these vehicles, who cares. Amble power is all I need, I'm not going to be towing or off roading anyway.
#47 of 2239 by joey2brix Feb 13, 2003 (6:49 am)
Less then 20K? I dont think so. They will not bother with a 2.2L base engine, too slow. There's no point in Chevy trying to fight the Kia's, Hyundia's, etc. (no profit margin) They want the CRV class of owner. A CRV is loaded out the factory door, just a few minor dealer installed opitions. And like diploid said: if you want to tow get the Trailblazer. 90% of the buyers will want the mini-SUV to drive like a car. So GM, find a nice 32 valve V6 from Opel to drop in this machine.   I think it's sad the the largest car company on the planet has to go to HONDA to get their 3.5L ?   Of course if you'll promise to drop a Honda VTEC 3.5L in an Equinox, you can have my deposit money today.
#48 of 2239 by logic1 Feb 13, 2003 (7:27 am)
Your complaints are ridiculous.   First, GM's press release said the Equinox will debut for under 20k. We know from the VUE (whose platform will base the Equinox) that the Equinox will be a solid car like performer at any price.   An even torque band is good for more than towing. It means the car will accelerate quicker without compromising mpg. The engine will also be easier to maintain than the Honda V6.   The Equinox will in fact be solid challenger to the CRV. In fact, as the Equinox will be priced less than the CRV with the V6 -- the CRV V6 will be a pricier option filled offering -- will look a lot better than the ugly little CRV box on wheels, and will have unique seating options, it will easily beat the CRV in both price and options.   You want to pay extra so you can say you bought a Honda, fine. Something tells me you will not have as much company as Honda wishes.   The future VUE V6 has nothing to do with this forum. Auto companies get large and stay large by making good business decisions. Adding expensive factory capacity to make engines in an era of massive overcapacity may satisfy a juvenile sense of what is right from my car company. GM did not see a reason to pay for additional capacity to make 20k V6s per year for the VUE.
#49 of 2239 Relax by joey2brix Feb 13, 2003 (7:58 am)
I own a CRV and love the looks of the Equinox. But the new CRV has a great 4 cyl and there's no talk of putting a 6 in it. The Equinox will have to start with a so-so 30 year old designed V6 to get OK performance. GM always starts new models with old engines, takes a few years to shoe horn something better in there. Let's hope the Equinox is not like the first year Escape/Tribute: transmission and other assorted recalls.   Now where do you get the idea that the Honda V6 is high maintenance? Let's see, it's a great Indy car motor and I don't seem to ever see Honda problem boards? Car rags can't say enough about all the Accura, Accord, and Pilot models that use it.   It looks like GM is forced to use this engine because of the over capacity they are adding in China. Part of the politics of getting into a new 3rd world market. Can't try to build a high tech motor in a low tech country.   GM doesn't use its world resources correctly. The GTO project is an exception: Need a low volume V8 sport coupe to replace the firebird. Holden in allstralia had a great car. Just throw a Pontiac grill and some nameplates on it. Presto! New Euro styled sport coupe with zero development costs!
#50 of 2239 joey2brix by dindak Feb 13, 2003 (8:46 am)
The Honda 3.5L engine is being used because of a swap deal done with Honda for GM transmissions. The 3.0L in the VUE now is fine, but Saturn canned the project the 3.5L were suppose to go into so the VUE is getting them. Nothing "sad" about it. As for indy car motors, they don't have much to do with car motors and Honda's in general are far from trouble free.   The 3.4L V6 in Equinox will offer smoothness a 4 cyl can not, even one from Honda. Priced around the same I will very likely go with the Equinox assuming quality is there. The vehicle is coming from a Suzuki/GM plant with a good record so I think it will be ok. The VUE has done fine and is now recommended by consumer reports also.

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