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#55 of 245 Is it really worth it???
Jan 13, 2003 (2:37 pm)
When I heard of a more powerful AWD Golf coming to the states (finally) I was happier than a pig in s..t!
Now, when I look at all the new and much more powerful cars coming out, with much better style, I ask myself "do I want to spend 30k$ on a golf???" >>> The answer took about a month to realize, and the answer is hell no! The body style is pretty much lagging in time, even if it is dressed up with some ground effects and new badges, wow...
Now, if the Golf V looks better and has more style, then maybe I will buy another golf, until then, not gonna happen! I already own a 97 Golf VR6 and a 2002 Golf TDI (opposites end of the spectrum, huh??)...
So, what is my message to VW? Bring us some Golf's that have some modern technology/style incorporated into their vehicles, so people wouldn't stereotype the car to just the 19-29yr old white male population.
I guess I would like to have a Golf with the option of a 2 or 4 door, with DSG, and one that will turn the heads of ladies, not just young white males. Also, gotta make a Golf that will do 0-60 in less than 6 seconds!
PS: The front seats need a better way to recline. Turning that dumb-ass thing is pretty ridiculous and very annoying...
#56 of 245 The R32 is not meant to turn heads because
Jan 13, 2003 (7:37 pm)
it is a "Q-ship" or "sleeper." It is understated by design so that a driver may better sneak up on unsuspecting sports car drivers, like BMW 325er's for example, and dust them.
If you don't care too much about AWD just buy a GTI 1.8t and then add:
- a programmable APR chip
- a rear sway bar
- upgraded struts/springs
- a few interior/exterior bits from Euro GTIs and Audi TT's
End result is a fast, agile and still practical hatchback with a beautiful interior for less than 22k.
I just checked out the Euro mag "Car." They had a camparo of the R32 vs. the Alfa 147(?) vs. Ford Focus RS. The R32 held its own very well as was preferred other the others in several of the driving conditions it was tested under.
Of course you could get an EVO, WRX, or wait for the next Golf R32 in VW's fifth platform iteration coming in the next couple of years.....
Jan 14, 2003 (11:49 am)
What I like most about the R32 is that it's not a boy-racer look at me WRX or Lancer EVO with huge rear wing etc. I don't think that the R32 only appeals to 19 to 29 year old white males. It appeals to anyone wanting a stealthy high performance sports car with a lot of luxury and utility thrown in. Exactly what I was looking for when I got my 02 turbo GTI.
I think $30k is a bargain for an AWD 240 HP sports car with leather, climatronic, rain sensing wipers, sunroof, Xenons, 18" wheels, tuned suspension etc.. About the only thing it compares to is a 330 BMW with a sports package which would be mid $40k's equipped like an R32 - not to mention the Beemer has 15 less HP and nothing near the utility of a rear hatch. An A4 3.0 Quattro wagon would be another comparable car- not a small nimble car and north of $35k similarly equipped.
VW will have no trouble selling all the R32's they bring over here.
Waiting for a Golf V is always an option for some people, the Golf IV is a classic hatchback design that I think will age well.
#58 of 245 put my deposit down yesterday
Jan 14, 2003 (1:20 pm)
$100 to be first on the list...and guaranteed to pay full sticker! For me, though, the benefits of a naturally-aspirated, large 6-cyl vastly outweigh a boosted four in terms of engine longevity and real-world power...no waiting 'till 5 grand for big power to kick in. My only worries: buying a first model-year vehicle...my luck hasn't been so great.
Jan 15, 2003 (5:07 pm)
The pictures from the link in this discussion look great! I always get excited when I see all these newly launched AWD, 18" wheel vehicles...especially being single (no need for wagon or SUV) and living in the Northeast (slippery roads). I will definitely take this one for a test drive come summer.
Hey, I don't see reports of the MPG yet. Any guesses?
Jan 17, 2003 (7:08 pm)
I doubt R32 MPG is much different than a VR6 Golf - I bet it will depend on how you drive it.
Jan 18, 2003 (12:33 pm)
You wont be dissapointed with the R32 in any way! It's coming direct from Germany, not a 3rd world country, and I'm not talking about Canada.
You will dust the turbo 1.8 guaranteed! That will be nice to see
Also, the AWD will be "very" useful when accelerating on slippery ground...!
Best of luck!
#62 of 245 mpg will probably
Jan 19, 2003 (6:53 pm)
suck, just like the current VR6. I currently get around 21-23. On the highway, I once got 28 (that's calculated by gallons used divided by miles driven -- the onboard computer is consistently 1-3 MPG optimistic).
#63 of 245 tough sale at $28-32k
Jan 30, 2003 (11:11 am)
I like VWs, always have, but I think a Golf (no matter the iteration) will be a tough sale in the US Market beyond VW enthusiasts.
At $28-32k, they will be competing with many nice cars that can do what the VW does in many ways, with subtle differences:
Infiniti G35 Coupe and Sedan
Subaru WRX (STi?)
2004 Mustangs - the new All-American Sport Car
Mercedes Benz C230 Hatch (under cutting a VW by $4k? Less engine, more MB)
BMW 325 - Sure it is stock w/o options, but still a BMW
Saab 9-3 (cheaper by a min of $3k to start?)
Dodge Neon SRT-4 (215 hp at $20k, it isn't direct competition, but a reason to think that a $30k Golf is kinda silly)
Mini Cooper S
Lexus IS300 (if price is the same, what makes more sense? for an everyday driver?)
All that, and we haven't even considered most of the lesser cars that are more sedate, but also less expensive...that makes for a lot of competition for a spec Golf.
I think selling 5-10k models shouldn't be too tough, that is about 20-30 cars per dealer, IIRC, for the year. But the R32 is more of an oddity than a market shaker.
Still, I would love to see the car in person, drive it and let the games begin.
At $30k, the market is just too chuck full of alternate choices that either save money or offer something the VW Golf doesn't - mass-market appeal in the US.
A hot-body Jetta would have been a better sale in the US, since Jettas outsell Golfs here like 4 to 1, if not more.
#64 of 245 interesting comparisons
Jan 30, 2003 (11:22 am)
I've thought the same - there are lots of cars in this price range to consider. The R32 is unique in that it has a usable hatchback, AWD etc.
Another thing to consider is the Golf V will be here about a year after the R32 debuts. The V is supposed to have this same drivetrain configuration as the R32 available.
I'm on a waiting list for the R32, my $1k deposit is fully refundable so if I don't decide I want one...
The one car on your list of comparables that I'm really interested in is the Mercedes C230k except in the sedan version - Mercedes just came out with the Kompressor engine in the C sedan with a 6 speed - I've driven 2 of them and I'm totally impressed - they start at $27k - it comes standard with 17" wheels and sport suspension.