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Toyota Camry, Sedan
Nov 17, 2002 (10:49 am)
The Canadian plant (Cambridge, ON) is probably the best Toyota plant outside of Japan. Its far better than the Kentucky plant and the California NUMMI plant. The Indiana plant has proven good quality, though, as my fathers 2002 Tundra Access Cab SR5 V8 4WD demonstrates.
My 1991 Camry, which was made in Japan, has NO rattles, squeaks or vibrations anywhere in it. It has over 115K miles on it. My 2000 RAV4 (also made in Japan) is the same way, but only has 10K miles.
My mothers Kentucky built 1999 Avalon is a complete rattletrap after only 15K miles. It may be soon traded in for an ES 300 or a Highlander Limited 4WD, both primarily Japanese built.
Yes it does make a difference whether or not the Toyota was made in Japan or Canada versus Kentucky. As has been said ad nauseum, there are reasons all Lexus are Japanese made. The first Lexus soon to be built in North America will be built in Canada. This means the Solara is going to be built in Kentucky, so look for it's quality to go down from earlier Canadian built models. The Sienna is going to Indiana, so look for an increase in quality from earlier KY models.
#53 of 724 My impressions
Nov 21, 2002 (10:54 am)
As a current owner of a '98 Camry (LE, 40K miles, AT) I feel that I can say this without insulting all you Toyota fans. While this Camry has remained mechanically problem free, just too many stupid little things have me totally p'd off.
1. Drivers door does not close the way other doors do (from day one). It needs just a little extra push - I know, I know - picky, picky! Heck ya, I'll be picky and expect perfection. I thought Toyotas were only made after a lot of thought and with great detail in mind ?? Not so sure now!
2. Both rear doors squeak. Granted we do not use these doors often, I have lubed/oiled them regularly.
3. Rattle from the B pillar on driver’s side. Taken to the dealer multiple times and had some of the trim re-installed but this problem still continues.
4. Passenger side door armrest trim cracking. I can't believe this.
5. Driver side door trim that has the window switches is peeling paint. Again, I can't believe this crap.
6. Hood does not prop up at all when lever pulled from inside the car. It will open without problems but at times it has been left open since
it is easy to forget it is open since the hood seems perfectly aligned and no visual clue to remind that it is open.
7. Ditto as above for the trunk. Both of these since day one and when taken to dealer they said, "Well, that’s the way it is".
Bottom line for me:
1. This model Camry is cheap, cheap, and cheap. Plastic quality is horrendous. Plastic trim pieces don't fit perfectly.
2. The "attention to detail" factor is just plain missing.
3. Seat fabric feels cheap esp. now after 4 years.
4. I think Toyota seems to putting its good resources to Lexus and SUV products since they fetch a fat profit, and leaving the Camry’s and corollas to their inexperienced teams. While this makes immediate business sense, not taking care of its core and bread and butter products is going to come back someday and bite their ass.
5. '98 Camry: Very amateurish.
6. I am done with you TOYOTA. When its time to buy a new car, I am going to HONDA. Asta La Vista, baby!!
Nov 22, 2002 (3:08 pm)
What do the Japanese do on the lines that Americans don't...Can't we snap the plastic in place as well as they do? Are the cars coming from over there assembled differently with different parts and fasteners than their American counter-parts?
Nov 22, 2002 (3:20 pm)
My guess would be the people who supply the parts are not the same. Thus the parts are not the same - like trim parts etc. Engines tranxaxle are probably the same. In Japan they probably control the vendors more here if like Gm it might be low bid. Seems someone who works for Toyota would log on and tell us.
On GM cars I used to use the problems were with vendor supplied things like an arm rest or a washer fluid bottle. Sometime you would buy 3 of the things all made to the same drawing number - either GM would not revise the design spec, or the supplier kept screwing up on quality. the parts man at the Olds dealer told me 2 times when buying replacement parts "this one will break too, its the same as the one you have"
#56 of 724 Camry rattles
Nov 23, 2002 (2:48 pm)
I purchased a 2002 XLE in February. Immediately
rattles appeared. Behind the glove compartment,
both front doors, radio and CD player distortions, and finally the dash itself. Gone to the dealer three times, some rattles fixed, at least for now, others continue. The Toyota
"price premium" may rapidly disappear.
#57 of 724 Unhappy 2003 Camry Owner
Nov 23, 2002 (5:49 pm)
I purchased a 2003 Camry in early October to replace a 1997 Camry. The new Camry has been quite a letdown with interior rattles, creaks and squeeks.
The loudest of the noises emanates from the passenger side B pillar, which I opened up yesterday. I tightened a loose, partially screwed in metal seatbelt guide and added some foam padding in a couple of strategic locations. However, the b pillar noises have not been eliminated. I noticed that the seatbelt height adjustment mechanism is flimsy and may contribute to the rattles, as the rattles are fewer with a passenger seatbelted in.
The fascia at the top of the front passenger door is also very creaky. I'll let the dealership tackle that one.
At 1,300 moderately driven miles, my front brakes have started to squeal and a new rattle has started at the left vent/instrument cluster area. Just when I thought that I did not have the typical Toyota dash rattle!
I really do not appreciate my new Camry and regret purchasing it. I certainly will not buy another Camry, nor will I recommend one.
As for "should have bought a Honda": Don't go there - I've owned 3 that I purchased new. They had their share of mechanical problems (i.e. replaced faulty front wheel bearings at 20k miles, timing belt broke at 42k miles, leaky a/c system, defective sunroof, 1979 Civic would never start at or below 10 degrees because of a weak [not defective] starter, etc.)
To be fair, my 1997 Camry was more mechanically sound and reliable than all of my Hondas. I do not hold such hope for my 2003 Camry.
Nov 24, 2002 (12:14 am)
don't let a few rattles fool you. If I were you, I would expect the new one to be just as mechanically reliable as the '97 was for you.
For everyone out there with rattles and squeaks, Toyota has been making a lot of public fuss lately (including JD Power interviews) about how they have done TSBs for all the noise issues, so if you have not already been to the dealer with your rattles, take the car in. You just may find that the dealelr can actually fix them and make your car tomb-like quiet!
Maybe not too, but it is worth a shot. Since this is such a common problem, they should be able to get you a loaner car too.
#59 of 724 Agree with Nippononly
Nov 24, 2002 (3:24 am)
Although Toyota seems to have dropped the ball in terms of build quality on their recent products (squeaks and rattles), the reliability of the mechanical systems is probably still as good as ever. My 2001 Solara has a few fit and finish weaknesses, but the only real problem has been a piece of loose trim. No mechanical or electrical problems in 18 months. Based on the 7 Toyotas I've owned my guess is that mechanically the newer Toyotas may be a little more reliable mechanically even if not as carefully assembled.
Nov 24, 2002 (8:47 am)
which asembly plant is screwing it up?
#61 of 724 Forget the Camry
Nov 24, 2002 (11:36 pm)
Basically, the Camry doesnt have any advantage over its main competitors like it had years ago. The problem is that people still have that old image in their mind. Times have changed. Other companies such as Ford(which owns Volvo, Jaguar, Mazda, Land Rover, Aston Martini), Chrysler(now part of DaimlerChrysler and Mitsubishi), and GM(owners of SAAB, Suzuki, Subaru, Isuzu, Holden, Vauxhall, Opel) have really taken these acquistions to their advantage. They have learned the best things from others and taken them to the next level. Reverse engineering is an age old concept, and no one in this group can doubt that a whole car such as the Camry must have been dissected from top to bottom by others in order to be studied. Making good cars is not hard anymore, as most manufacturers use the same suppliers(Johnson Control, biggest auto supplier of seats and various electronics.)
To sum it up, people should get out of the Camry dream and just go and sit in another car(Intrepid, Taurus, Galant, Altima) and see where the Camry really stands up today. And forget the reliability story, just go and check the Camry Problem group to see the kind of ridicolous problems it has been having, not to mention the new "rattle" syndrome that just came up. Just go and sit and drive a new Taurus. Not only will it hold up(no rattles for 100K plus, but it will keep on going strong). Combine the excellent fit and finish quality to its strong European handling characteristics as well as its cheaper price, the real winner will be apparent.