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401 messages, Last post on Jan 07, 2003 at 6:34 AM
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#394 of 401 I don't really see why by plutonious
Jan 06, 2003 (6:25 pm)
the Ranger is rated to tow more than the Tacoma when the torque from the Ford 3.0 and the Toyota 2.7 are so similar. I talk to a lot of guys who tow and they actually suggested this to me: The manufacturers with the shorter warranties rate their trucks to tow more because by the time something goes wrong from that abuse, the truck will be out of warranty. This does kind of make sense. Especially in this case, because the Tacoma's payload capacity is more than the Ranger's. This tells me the Ranger's towing advantage probably has nothing to do with a heavier duty suspension.If you look at the tests done with the Tundra versus its competitors, it's pretty surprising the Tundra excelled at accelerating and braking while towing. Yet its tow rating is only 7200lbs. Maybe this is only another example of a lowered tow rating because of a long warranty?
At any rate, it would be interesting to see a towing comparison of the Ranger versus the Tacoma. I have a feeling the Tacoma could definitely hold its own, or even beat the Ranger, despite its lowered tow ratings. The Tundra held its own against the Big 3 towing comparos, in fact, the Chevy/Ford 4.8/4.6s weren't even used in the comparos because there would have been no competition - this despite the Chevy's and Ford's higher tow ratings than the Tundra. So maybe a Tacoma/Ranger comparo would end the same way.
But I still say if you're going to be towing around 5K lbs regularly, you shouldn't be looking at a compact truck to begin with, even though they CAN tow it. There's a difference between being able to tow something, and towing it well.
#395 of 401 $$$$ by Ile
Jan 06, 2003 (7:09 pm)
I think that what most people miss about the trucks is what is real cost per mile or per year. It is really almost irrelevant how much one pays for the truck initially. Imagine that you could buy a car, like a ferrari that is a limited model and you could sell it years down the road for more than what you paid it for. Most people do this on purpose because it happens quite often with limited number of Ferraris. The same applies to pick-up trucks. While it is easier to find a Ford product for less than Toyota, the resale value of Toyota is much higher thereby down the road when it is time to sell the truck it will cost owners less in that respect. There is also an issue of fuel economy, which people neglect as well as reliability.Fuel economy, is Usually better in Toyota products VS anyone else. As the matter of fact it is hard to find a Toyota product that will not be in top 3 in its class for ANY VEHICLE that they have made.
For reliability issues one cannot limit himself to asking their friends as to what kind of experience they have had. People are forgetfull, and usually biased. To check for reliability we should check out Consumer Reports or JD Power and associates. Toyota is repeatedly #1 year after year, Ford products usually tend to be at the lower and of a spectrum. Ranger however is better than average, Tacoma happens to be best in class.
In the end one can look at the summary of results at edmunds for toyota double cab V 6 true cost to own is 33,962 http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/toyota/tacoma/4drdoublecabv64wdsb34l6cyl4a/tco.html?id=lin0006&ziptco=60660&source=intro
and for Ford 37,234
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2002/ford/ranger/4drsupercabxltoffroad4wdstylesidesb40l6cyl5a/tco.html?id=lin0648 if you guys are up to it you can cross reference any other styles. Just make sure that the powertrains are the same like taking automatic transmition with both and 4 or 2 wheel drive and approximately the same amount of standard features etc.
As one can plainly see the difference is about 3500 over the 5 years of ownership. Not that much, but Edmunds does not give Toyota credit for better reliability that JD Power and Consumer reports do. This would make their jobs much harder so across the board they put the same amount of money for repairs for both makers, which of course goes in favor of Ford. But even if we neglect that one can surely appreciate the 3500 difference which buys you a supercharger from Toyota which outputs more than 5.4 L from Ford. Or upgraded suspention, or free fuel, or free insurance, or piece of mind, or 2 vacations with your family. Thank you Toyota.
#396 of 401 Weight to Power by Ile
Jan 06, 2003 (7:17 pm)
Most people just get hung up on the engine performance one must also look at the weight to power ratio. Toyota's usually weigh less than the competitors, which means they can use smaller tires, engines, brakes, to do the same work. By using higher quality steel this can be accomplished, good R&D doesen't hurt either.#397 of 401 Well said! by plutonious
Jan 06, 2003 (7:52 pm)
But don't expect everybody here to agree with many of your points, because they've been brought up before. Examples:Toyota/Tacoma receiving the best marks for reliability by CR and JDP&A. The opposition claims Fords don't get these high ratings because more are sold, and that means more complaints/problems. Apparently, the opposition doesn't understand the concept of percentiles. And they can't comment on the fact that some of the most popular and numerous cars, like the Camry or Corolla, have sterling reputations for reliability.
Tacoma's superior resale value, and the fact a used Toyota is much easier to sell than a Ford. The opposition doesn't know what to make of this. Hmmm, a used car that demands a higher price, yet is easier to sell? What do you suppose that means?
Weight to power ratio. Hehe, tell me about it! A certain individual here kept boasting how his Jeep Liberty had a few more horses than a Tacoma, yet couldn't see how his extra 600+ pounds negated any power advantage whatsoever. This same individual begain making claims Rangers weigh about 600lbs more than the "tin" Tacoma. Of course, this kind of weight penalty hurt the Ranger's power to weight ratio, and we haven't heard anymore on this subject. Plus the fact the vehicle weights are listed right here on Edmunds somewhat put an end to these nonsense claims. But, it's taken a bit more research to disprove other claims, like Tacoma's rear pumpking being several inches smaller than the Ranger's.
Cost of long-term ownership. Now that's something that hasn't been brought up by either side. I guess we all know most Ford buyers do not keep their vehicles long-term, hence the absence of this very important subject. To appreciate many of your valid points, one has to be looking at their vehicle purchase from a long-term ownership perspective.
I don't think the Ranger is that bad of a truck. When I think of a bad truck, I think of the Chevy S-10. The Ranger may make more sense if you buy and trade in vehicles every year and you can get more options for less money. But if you want something better built that will go the miles and hold its value, the Tacoma can't be beat.
#398 of 401 pluto......nice job by tbunder1
Jan 06, 2003 (9:12 pm)
i like how you make up an alias on this forum, only to agree with the points you just made with "lle", or pluto the 2nd.all that you type is your opinion. 'the tacoma can't be beat'. where does the ranger NOT beat it? tell me that.
as far as the ranger's rear diff being larger, it is. if you look at the tacoma's rear diff, it is not as big as you think. it may be 8.4 in the middle, but it quickly gets smaller. the rangers 8.8 is larger across the whole assembly, quickly distinguishing that is has heavier duty parts inside.
as far as the power/torque/weight issue goes, that's a very poor argument. show me some real proof that it makes any difference at all. the new magnum makes like 375 horse in a ram 1500. the SD 5.4 makes 260 and weighs lots more. are you going to tell me that the ram 1500 is more of a truck than the SD? i hear your jealousy loud and clear. this is all you have to go on since the ford 4.0 and the jeep 3.7 both make more power and torque than your little 3.4.
i wonder who i'd be if i came up with an alias on edmunds. im sure this 'lle' guy just subscibed tonight and had a gob of positive toyota stuff to belt out. that's what people do right? subscribe all of a sudden to edmunds, and start spewing out tacoma facts and why its better than this, and remember this and remember that. hilarious.
i love how pluto quietly admits he was mistaken. he doesn't address it at all.
#399 of 401 pluto....... by tbunder1
Jan 06, 2003 (9:14 pm)
remember that the S10, of which you think of when you think of a bad truck, it's twin the Sonoma won JD Powers award for best compact truck last year. aren't you contradicting yourself, woops, i mean "lle"? he brags up on jd powers and how toyota almost always wins, i guess he didn't check to see who won it last year huh?pluto, if you were a terrorist, you'd have 'TERRORIST' written across your forehead. can you say obvious?
#400 of 401 *tbundy* by plutonious
Jan 06, 2003 (11:25 pm)
"i like how you make up an alias on this forum, only to agree with the points you just made with "lle", or pluto the 2nd.">>I already explained to midnight_caballo that I take great pride in proving you clowns wrong time and again, and I wouldn't want to share my victories with fictitious characters.
I believe it is YOU that uses different aliases here at Town Hall. After all, you were using the name "tbunder" before, and now you're using "tbunder1." Both posters would write the same dribble. What's that? Oh yeah, you forgot your own user name!!! No wonder you can't keep all the facts in this discussion straight...
"all that you type is your opinion. 'the tacoma can't be beat'. where does the ranger NOT beat it? tell me that."
>>How about reliability, resale value, build quality, off-roading, and customer satisfaction surveys, recalls...Guess you forgot about those, along with your name.
"as far as the ranger's rear diff being larger, it is. if you look at the tacoma's rear diff, it is not as big as you think. it may be 8.4 in the middle, but it quickly gets smaller. the rangers 8.8 is larger across the whole assembly, quickly distinguishing that is has heavier duty parts inside."
>>Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But it isn't 2" bigger like you bragged (what's with your preoccupation about size, anyway?). But if the Ranger has heavier duty parts inside, why are they having problems with their differentials exploding in parkinglots, LOL!?!?!?!?!
"as far as the power/torque/weight issue goes, that's a very poor argument. show me some real proof that it makes any difference at all..."
>>Show you proof that power/weight ratio makes a difference?? Obviously, to you it doesn't, because you bought that overweight and underpowered (everybody else's concensus, not just mine) Jeep Liberty. If you want to be ignorant, fine. But you should hide your ignorance and quit asking these "show me proof 2+2=4" questions because you're only hurting your image more...
"i love how pluto quietly admits he was mistaken. he doesn't address it at all."
I've openly admitted I was mistaken about the Tacoma's limited slip. That had to do with erroneous information posted on the internet. I even provided the link which said the Tacoma had a limited slip. If I make a mistake, it's usually due to erroneous information, not "facts" I pull out of thin air. And I don't go back and delete my posts...
"pluto, if you were a terrorist, you'd have 'TERRORIST' written across your forehead. can you say obvious?"
Didn't you think it would be OBVIOUS that you would be exposed as a liar when you bragged about jumping your Ranger and going stump-pulling in the woods here at Town Hall, yet you posted links to your E-bay advertisement stating the truck "had never been abused?"
Even if a terrorist had it written on his forehead, it probably wouldn't be obvious enough for you to notice...
#401 of 401 ENOUGH by pf_flyer HOST
Jan 07, 2003 (6:34 am)
If you guys want to continue this personal battle, take it somewhere other than Town Hall. In email, in IM, anywhere but here.
This topic is done. If this fight comes up in another topic, that one will be shut down as well.
Stick to the trucks and stay off of each other.
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