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#157 of 401 Maybe overall it is third,
Oct 22, 2002 (6:01 am)
but this year I wouldn't be surprised if Taco hit #2 in compact sales the way S10 is selling. It might actually be #2 already if you use September data and do some math. Of course, it's speculatory, but given the sales volume this year, highly likely.
The new Ranger may have a V8, but lets see.....it was first supposed to come out in 2003? Then 2004? Now it is pushed back to 2005? With all the headlines about "restructuring" in Ford...who knows.
Oct 22, 2002 (6:03 am)
Doesn't matter, it'll make it to #1 eventually. What matters is that before tbunder used to say "Ranger outsells Tacoma by hundreds of thousands", and now it's down to "tens of thousands". Besides, if it makes #2, that's quite an accomplishment for a model that's been on the market for 8 years only.
#159 of 401 Well I agree with you tbunder
Oct 22, 2002 (6:27 am)
but for like the past three years people have been saying that about it getting the I-6. If it was, don't you think Chevy would be bragging about it too. Heck, they were bragging about the I-6 for two years before the Trailblazer came out. I could be wrong, though. Its about time. Hehe.
#160 of 401 what's sad......
Oct 22, 2002 (9:48 am)
is that the avalanche is on the heels of the beloved tundra. not to mention it is up over 200% in sales over last year. now with a new avalanche coming out in '03 with none of that body claddding, it will sell even better. plus, it isn't as bad to look at it. looks like a normal truck. the days of hundreds of thousands over the tacoma are done simply because people aren't buying small trucks like they used to. ford isn't selling as many as they used to, therefore they aren't building as many. the whole market is soft. the ram is very impressive however in sales.
sad- i dont know nor do i care. i won't buy a new colorado. it will be a new ranger i assume. as i expect the new one to kick arse whenever it comes out. there's always something new and better around the bend. no matter when or what you buy.
#161 of 401 The way I look at the statistics
Oct 22, 2002 (9:53 am)
Yes the Tacoma sold more trucks in September 02, according to pickuptrucks.com.
However for the Year of 2002, Ranger is still over 181,000 vs Tacoma's 117,000.
But Yes, again, the Tacoma did sell 618 more trucks in September...
See what I see?
#162 of 401 Yeah.....right.
Oct 22, 2002 (9:53 am)
If people aren't buying small trucks like they used to, why aren't we seeing that behavior with Tacoma?
Avalanche vs Tundra: who cares?
Oct 22, 2002 (9:55 am)
Like I said, Tacoma will get to #1 eventually, if they choose to. It's not like Toyota is making 200,000 Tacomas a year and can't sell them. They are going rather well without any rebates and 0% financing.
Ranger still sells more, but it is no longer the "hundreds of thousands" more units. I'll be laughing when Tacoma tops S10 in sales for this year. Tbunder said to take it to the bank that it would not. We all know how much his "facts" are worth.
#164 of 401 no one buying small trucks...?
Oct 22, 2002 (7:35 pm)
I would like to see some data showing that compact truck sales have significantly dropped off. (adjusted for the fact that all vehicle sales are down due to the economy) I'm skeptical.
#165 of 401 According to Pickuptrucks.com
Oct 23, 2002 (5:54 am)
09-2002 YTD sales / percent change / 09-2001 YTD Sales(calculated)
Truck Market.2,154,233 -1.98% 2,197,762
FullSize........1,629,681 0.24% 1,625,783
Compact........524,552 -8.29% 571,979
So, at least compared to all true trucks, the Compacts are generally not selling as well, BUT I didn't factor in the Avalanche, as it's too new.
Oct 23, 2002 (6:59 pm)
Well, I'd agree that that is definitely significant. However, if slacking sales are the reason for coming out with "bigger" compact trucks, then this decline must have been going on for some time. My feeling, though, is that the auto makers are forcing bigger vehicles on us as the profit margins are likely bigger. Call me a cynic.