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#700 of 1373 Re: Fires ... why only recently? [erikklein]
Jun 16, 2005 (3:47 am)
we have/had a 2003 EX with 21,000 miles on it. The fire happened on a warm,rainy spring day. The van was parked close to an hour when the fire started. That day the CD player was used along with the wipers. I had no problems with the van, in truth, I loved my sedona. I thought I was driving an upscale cheap car by owning the EX. But now my opinion of the Sedona went from love to FEAR! Be afraid of Kia! I was just informed that my van was so badly burned that Kia is not responsible. Their inspector found the source of the fire to be inconclusive... therefore Kia will not own up to it. Be afraid, be very afraid... Kia recalls rear bearings because of 4 warranty claims, yet on this sight #584, #657, and #685 all have had fires that started in the steering area while parked. But remember, Kia is not responsible. I repeat be afraid!
#701 of 1373 Re: Fires ... why only recently? [jaywolf]
Jun 16, 2005 (5:50 am)
Well, if you are that "afraid"...do something about it. Consumer protection agency,BBB, whoever. Kia won't do anything unless they start to feel some pressure. A lawsuit is usually a good start. If the departed Kias remains are still available, hire a private mechanic to look at it.Who knows...YOU may save some lives...if the facts are on your side.
#702 of 1373 Addressing A Few Issues
Jun 16, 2005 (7:33 am)
Okay,Seems like everyone is on the bashing bandwagon,from the last few post I have read. If you really dislike the car or any car for that matter,the best thing that I think alot of people would suggest is either start walking or get a bike. But then again those two things have risks in of thereself's. Now that I have either made a few mad or at least gotten your attention lets move on and address some of the above mentioned issues.
1.I to the best of my memory never mentioned anything about the face plate around the radio getting hot because of usage. Lets take a sec and have a look at the van you own and also lets use a few terms that I am sure you know. Your van is one of the best examples of what a greenhouse effect is and what it can do. It has 8 peices of glasss attached to it and is one of the best generators of heat you could ever find. Of course things are going to get hot. Look at the windshield. It heats the dash and all of its components very well. The faceplate's leading upper edge is in contact with the sun in just about every situation.
2. I have yet to see a single van brought into the dealership that has caught fire. I am not calling anyone a lier by any means. I have seen burned harness's before and damage as a result of a fire but it was created by the owners own ignorance. Lets explain that last comment for a minute. The power outlets are designed for very simple electrical things to be used. It is not meant to have a 5 pigtail adaptor hanging from it with 5 things that draw enough amps to make your local power company send you a bill. I have seen aftermarket add-ons cause more issues also. In my opinion,if it isnt a option from the manufacture,dont get it. Wiring harness's do not like things added to them that werent suppose to be there in the first place.
3. The updated alternator is offered for one reason only. During idle the alt would not charge because it wasnt turning fast enough because the pully is to big,in some cases. Engine's engine compartment heat also plays a role in it also. That is why the issue is seen more in the summer months. It does not have a single thing to do with the electrical fire issues that people are chatting about.
#703 of 1373 Continuation From Above
Jun 16, 2005 (7:51 am)
Laptops,dont ya hate them,lol.
The updated alt just has a smaller pully on it so that it will charge at idle. Thats it. Nothing special. I have mentioned how to complain about getting the updated version under warranty only so I will not go through that again.
4. Rust around the liftgate or anywhere for that matter. If its under warranty it should be addressed without having to call anyone. If the dealership has a bodyshop,then they can fix it or have it subletted out to a bodyshop for repair. It isnt rocket science. If you arent satisfied call kia consumer affairs or ask to speak the DPSM,when he comes back to the dealership. He visits once a month.
5. The warranty. Its a great warranty and if there is a issue,I am sure you arent telling use all the story. This is how the drivetrain warranty works basically. It is YOUR job to maintain YOUR car,not kia. If you dont do the maintaince on your vehicle as described in the owners manual and something goes wrong,its on you as the owner,not kia .Dont come in and complain the the motor has blown up because you as the owner didnt change the oil. I have seen it time and time again. The worse case was 32k on the engine and it still had the assembly line oil filter on it. Transmissions work in the same way,if you dont maintain it and something goes wrong,its not kia's fault,its YOURS. Every manufacture just about plays by the same rules as far as maintance goes. Do what you know your suppose to do when it comes to taking care of your vehicle and when a issue comes up chances are it will be taken care of without a single frown.
5. Yes there is a recall on the rearwheel bearings. The reason is as follows. Some of the bearings just werent packed with enough grease in them and or moister had gotten in the bearing creating rust and in turn both situations would cause the bearings to begin to roar after wear began to take place. I have seen roaring bearings but have never seen a single wheel locked up because of bearing failure.
Last but not least. I am just trying to shead some light on the situations that are above mentioned by people. Car is a car is a car .Everyone is going to have issues regardless of the manufacture. Some will freak out about them and others will take them in stride. if you think the high end dollar cars dont have issues your sadly mistaken. No car isperfect nor will it ever be.
#704 of 1373 Re: Addressing A Few Issues [kiatech]
Jun 16, 2005 (8:02 am)
This is not a situation to make light of. This isn't just a mechanical failure that can be an inconvenience; people can die. I don't think anyone here is saying that all Kia Sedona's are fire death traps. We just want to know why three members of this list have had their Sedona's burn, and all similarly I might add. It seems they all burned after being driven and then parked. Imagine if a van started on fire in an attached garage after it was parked and them proceeded to burn someones house down.
If Kia stood up and took responsibility and admitted a certain component was defective in these vans, and then took the next logical step of a recall to inspect and/or replace said defective part, then I would keep my Sedona and have a lot more respect for the company. But, to claim the fire(s) are not their responsibility and wash their hands of the situation tells me they are more concerned about their public image than the safety of people riding in their vehicles.
For those with burned Sedonas, I have a question. Were all of them '03s? Perhaps a certain batch of what ever component is causing this was bad? This may be limited to a certain production run that could easily be fixed/ replaced by Kia. The rest of us may be worrying for nothing, but for our own safety as long as Kia refuses to admit anything is wrong we can only assume the worst.
#705 of 1373 Re: Addressing A Few Issues [saabturboid]
Jun 16, 2005 (8:57 am)
Three members in this forum have made the complaint according to what you just posted. Over 50 thousand of these vans have been sold in the USA alone. I never said that there was or wasnt a issue. I just made the statement of what I had seen. I think you are taking the wrong approach to my statements. I did say that all the issues I had seen were customer created. Not manufactured created. I can only tell you what I have seen and I will tell the truth about it also. If I knew there was a issue,after what i have posted in here you dont think I would let the forums know. I would.
What I would suggest is the ones that did have the issue,post the dealership that the van was taken too.Post the pictures. Like I said,I have never seen one that has burned If the vans are burning to the ground I really do find it hard to beleive that no action is being taken. I for one would want it looked at.
Jun 16, 2005 (9:31 am)
It is disappointing to me, but not surprising, that Kia is not admitting fault. It is much tougher, in today's litigious society, for a manufacturer to admit fault for a SERIOUS situation such as a fire hazard than to admit fault for something more minor like a wheel bearing problem - especially when no reports of injury have been received regarding the minor problem (I don't know if that's the case with the wheel bearing issue; I'm just trying to make a general point).
If Kia came right out and admitted the fire hazard, they would have some serious lawsuits on their hands.
To me, that's what it boils down to-- in today's society, the manufacturer feels it cannot afford to open such a large and potentially damaging can of worms - i.e., fire hazard. So they play dumb and say the cause of the fire was inconclusive.
Folks, if this is happening to you - you need to take legal action. There's no other way to go about it. Hire an attorney. Get advice on how to proceed, i.e. refute the dealer's/Kia's claim that the cause was inconclusive. Get to the bottom of it.
#707 of 1373 Rust around the gas tank where the cap screws on.
Jun 16, 2005 (9:51 am)
I just found the rust around my gas tank where the gas tank cap screws in.
My dealer tells me that it's o.k. to have rust around it and it won't hurt the van.
It this true? Is it o.k. to have rust go into the gas tank like the dealer is saying?
Did anyone have this issue?
#708 of 1373 2004 Sedona Hesitation or Bucking &(road noise solved)
Jun 16, 2005 (3:55 pm)
I have a 2004 with 10,500 miles on it. Had it in about a month ago for road noise, a hum like tire noise. They ended up replacing the front right stub drive axle, and right rear hub bearing. That fixed it. They also addressed a check engine light which said Misfire in cylinder 5 (it did idle a little rough for a while).They replaced that spark plug. Now for the last few weeks I am seeing increased hesitation when I accelerate from a stop. When I hit the gas it either just bogs down for a few seconds and takes off, or bucks, then bogs down a couple cycles then takes off. This is a hazard pulling into traffic. Of course I took it to the dealer and it did this all the way there. But when they test drove it, it was fine. I re-checked and it was fine (no check engine light ever on this). I drove home and of course when I stopped at a light there, it did it again, and still does. I'm sure it has uneven acceleration even at speed, but it's just hard to notice, plus it will downshift which distracts from noticing the hesitation. Anybody else have this? I am suspecting a fuel system problem?
Jun 17, 2005 (5:53 am)
Yesterday I read an article on fire problems that apparently Ford is having with some of their trucks/SUVs. Apparently in that case Ford has tracked it down to a cruise control switch that can malfunction. Even Ford has not recalled all vehicles with this switch, but only a few.
Another statistic mentioned in the article surprised me. It said there are 100,000 non-accident related automotive fires every year. It didn't say whether that was just in the U.S., or world wide, but either case that is an astounding number.
All of this has me a little unnerved and not sure what to think. In any case I am still going to sell my Sedona but until then it will be parked in my driveway and not in my garage just in case.