Last post on Oct 23, 2006 at 1:18 AM
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#1104 of 1373 Re: Warranty a sham [jipster]
Jan 06, 2006 (8:38 am)
i was just at my KIA dealer a few days ago (what a wonderful experiance )
i started asking the service adviser questions, i went for the biggie first
do we live in an area considered as "severe usage" i got no answer ! he knew !
7500 mile oil change or 3000 miles, he said something like around 3500, hum i thougth.
i do my own oil and filter changes using KIA oil filters and keep all my reciepts does that satisfy warrenty requirments, he yes, no problem
there were brochures on the counter one said on my wehicle that my timing belt was to be changed at 40k not 60k as stated in my owners manuel. so i ask him which is correct he said 60k was the proper milage, then i said my crankshaft pull fell off and the belt had to be replaced at appx 5300 miles. he said i would not be due till 65300 miles. would it be waranty if it broke befor then, i did not ask, but i do not think so
3.5 engines i have been told they are non-interfearence engines so they will not bent valves or damage pistons if the belt does break
then i ask him how much it costs to replace the timing belt (includes tensioner, only makes sence) he said 550.00 plus tax and extras, much more than Edmonds costs under 60k service indicates
i beleive at the time of sale the dealer should be obligated to disclose that you are in a "severe service usage condition" since in reading the conditions written in the owners manuel i can not see anybody not being in "serere usage maintance"
i have to go back i a few days, i got more questions (they do not like my questions)
i also have to have a meeting with the area rep over two un resolved problems and the dealer was supposed to have schudeled the meeting (bet they have not)
#1105 of 1373 Re: Warranty a sham [beyond_help]
Jan 06, 2006 (11:39 am)
I see what you mean about the "severe usage" sheduled maintenence. In my Mazda MPV owners manual it states if any apply then use schedule 2(severe usage). They are 1)repeated short distance driving 2)driving in dusty conditins 3)driving with extended use of brakes 4)driving in areas where salt or other corrosivce materials are being used 5)driving on rough or muddy roads 6)driving for long periods in cold temps or extremely humid climates 7)extended periods of idling 8)towing a trailer
I live in Louisville, Ky and would have never thought in a million years I would need to go by schedule two maintenance for severe driving conditions. Most of the above conditions are extremely vague and open to the interpretation of who it will most benefit(the dealer)
i.e repeated short distance driving...who doesnt do this from time to time. driving in areas where salt is used??This is over half the United States!! Driving long periods with cold temps ...same thing..over half the country.
Anyhow, it looks to be just a big loophole a dealership can use to get out of having to pay for warranty work.
#1106 of 1373 Short Circuit?
Jan 06, 2006 (9:44 pm)
2003 Sedona purchased new, May 2003 from Jeff Wyler KIA in Fairfield, Ohio.
Before I purchased my Sedona, I was waiting for the new Nissan Quest to become available. Even after $14,000 in accident repairs when it was a year old, the Quest had been a wonderful vehicle. When it died at 200,000+ miles people were surprised – they thought it was a new vehicle.
I was actually scouting the Nissan lot when I decided to take a look at the Sedona. The KIA and Nissan dealerships are owned by the same entity and are located on adjoining lots. I paid the same for my KIA as I did for the Quest 10 years earlier. The vehicles were comparably equipped – considering the decade of difference. Mainly, the KIA had many more cup holders. I use to tell people that I had either made the best or worst purchase of my life – which time would tell.
Until I started to read about the electrical problems with the Sedona, I tried not to think much of these problems. However, now I’m beginning to think that my van should be squeezed to make lemonade… and I’m hoping it doesn’t catch fire while the family is inside. Anyone else have similar problems?
HEADLIGHT BULBS: First headlight bulb replaced Aug 2004. Since that first bulb, I have replaced both the drivers and passenger bulbs 5 times. And, NO, I'm not contaminating (touching) the bulb during installation. I first purchased a leading manufacturer's bulb. When the first bulb failed within 3 months, I contacted the manufacturer. They told me their bulbs might not work in certain vehicles. Hearing this, I switched to a different vendor. Same results. I was thinking the bulbs were inferior. When I purchased my last bulb, I mentioned the problem, specifically that I was spending a small fortune on bulbs. The guy replied that he had the same make and type of bulb in his vehicle, and the bulbs are 3 years old!
FOG LAMP: Discovered that a fog lamp was not working when I replaced the first headlight bulb. I only use fog lamps when it’s foggy – where I learned to drive it was illegal to use fog lights when visibility was clear. (A side note – seems like everyone drives with their fog lights on – I think the glare is as bad, if not worse, than oncoming high beams. I realize that KIA is not responsible for this epidemic – but if just one driver reads this and stops using the fogs lights on a clear night, it’s a good thing. I think Martha would agree.)
MASS AIRFLOW SENSOR & FUEL SENSOR: Was told that both parts were defective. Bill was over $800 – Mass Air was $400 and Fuel was $180. KIA must utilize a 50-year plan for recouping R&D. I kept the replaced parts. Anyone know of an independent testing source that could determine if the parts were actually bad? Both parts are electrical components.
RADIO: Sound system will stop working. Fuse in block under the hood doesn’t blow, but must be removed and re-inserted before the system will operate again.
MISC BULBS: These bulbs no longer illuminate:
‘Drive’ shift Indicator in instrument cluster.
‘Cruise’ indicator in instrument cluster.
A/C blower fan speed settings.
I find it irritating that none of these bulbs are easily accessible. KIA service tech told me he thought the entire instrument panel would need to be replaced! The only interior bulb I can remember replacing in any of the other vehicles I have owned was a dome light.
WINDSHIELD: The front windshield developed a crack across the bottom in the very area that the defroster grid is located. Spread out and upward before I had it replaced. The shop that replaced the windshield could not find any sign of origin such as a rock chip. I now wonder if the defroster malfunctioned/overheated and hence the crack. I’m sure KIA would dismiss my thought as inane, but I’m beginning to believe anything is possible.
Beginning to think the pendulum has swung to the opposite extreme and is unable to return. YOU THINK?
If anyone has had a similar experience with their KIA Sedona, please post a reply. Thank-you!
#1107 of 1373 Kia Sedona has no Power
Jan 07, 2006 (12:19 pm)
HI just wondering if anyone has the same problem i do.. my car ran fine till today, when i go to press the Gas it has no power for a little bit then it goes but when it comes down and i hit the gas it wants to bog down. Anyone having the same problem i am? id appreciate the help.
#1108 of 1373 Re: Short Circuit? [youthink]
Jan 07, 2006 (6:47 pm)
FWIW: not sure about this but the common thing among the headlights and the miscellaneous bulbs you indicate are blowing are that they are in use more than others. and your radio going on the blink and forcing a "master reset" by removing the fuse (all power) has got "methink"ing.
if i had to hazard a guess, i'd say your vehicle is suffering from a case of poor voltage regulation. an alternator is supposed to charge your battery and it's also the alternator's voltage regulation (zener diodes that lamp the voltage they pass to some upper limit) which should prevent your vehicle from getting voltage outside of their specified range (probably upper limit of 13.5 to 14.5 VDC).
Why not drive over to an autoparts store that sells batteries and ask them for a battery and alternator test. perhaps they can detect the alternator putting out too high of a voltage. bulbs would be sensitive to this. your radio might be going into a safe mode (or "crashed mode" - remember it has microprocessor ckts) when the voltage deviates above some set value. your dealer should be able to do this too. did you report the bulbs going to the dealer? if yes, and they haven't helped you - find another dealer if possible.
if you had a multi-meter, you could check the voltage across the battery as the engine is reved. you could see the "D.C." component with the multi-meter set on DC, and perhaps the ripple (or "A.C." component) with the multi-meter set on AC.
voltage at high rev in excess of 14.5VDC would be notable. excessive ripple (AC component) would also be bothersome.
#1109 of 1373 Re: Warranty claims? [youthink]
Jan 07, 2006 (8:38 pm)
Were all the problems considered warranty claims by the dealer so no cost to you?
#1110 of 1373 Prices for Pads and Rotors
Jan 09, 2006 (12:08 pm)
I finally got around to changing my Front Pads and Rotors on my 2002 Sedona EX (39,000 miles). I bought the Semi-Metallic Pads and Rotors (ironically - made in the USA) from NAPA. The Pads were $46.99 and the rotors were $57.97 each. So for under $170.00, you can change your own pads and rotors. Kia wanted $315.00. Only a couple of tricks. Of course, in Central NY, things were a little rusty, so I broke a cheap ratchet before I used a good 1/2" ratchet on the Caliper Bolts (21mm). Then, I found two screws holding on each rotor. These were very soft metal (maybe brass). I could not get them out without stripping them. So I drilled them out because the lugs hold on the rotor anyway. I've never seen another vehicle use screws. The only other thing was it wasn't very easy to get the pad into the clips on the caliper, but eventually, it will go in there. No other surprises. The new pads and rotors work great, and no more shaking when I hit the brakes!
#1111 of 1373 Re: 2005 Kia Sedona brakes [cksles]
Jan 10, 2006 (3:46 pm)
I have rotor problems with my 05 Sedona. Took it in to Kia dealer at about 15,000 with warped rotors. They did the work under warranty. after 4 trips on the same problem at 19,800 the dealer no longer wants to help me. the factory Rep also states Kia will not repair. At about 18,000 miles the dealer put new rotors on and new pads. With only 2,000 plus miles the rotors are warped again. Service Tech states on work order that I the customer, has poor braking habits and also advise the customer not to ride the brake. The service mgr. states that they get most of their complaints on rotor problems[noise and shimmy when going down a hill or grade] from people that live in my area which is Hendersonville & Asheville NC area.Respond
#1113 of 1373 Re: Warranty claims? [averigejoe]
Jan 12, 2006 (10:34 pm)
Nothing has been covered by the warranty.