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#8 of 31 v8 Audi A4 S4 by coolsly2

Nov 04, 2002 (3:11 pm)

I currently own a Corvette 2002 Z06 and I don't think comparing both cars would be something possible nor comparing a M3 to a "2003" S4 would be possible or either the M5... Why? Not really the fact of the performance issue but I think that the S4 is different by all means. The S4 is all-wheel-drive and the M3 or M5 is rear wheel drive only. 4 doors for the S4 and 2 doors for the M3... Personnally, I'm planning on purchasing the "next generation" of S4 with the V8 just because I live in Montreal, Qc and the Z06 is sleeping in the garage 4-5 months a year and the S4 would be driveable 12 months a year wich would make a good compromise between a Z06 and a A4 3.0.

I have some sites with good infos on the S4 V8, I guess some of you already have them but here's a site with some "2003" S4 specifications.

1) http://www.fast-autos.net/audi/03s4info.html
2) http://www.bilportal.com/supercars/audi/2003_s4_sedan.asp

I find 5.6 seconds for 0-60mph a bit slow, what do you guys think? A M3 pumping 333HP could do between something in the high 4 or low 5...

Sylvain

#9 of 31 0-60 time by JBaumgart

Nov 04, 2002 (7:07 pm)

The sites you link show a 0-100km time of 5.6 seconds - this translates to 0-62 mph. I suppose this would knock off a couple tenths of a second if it were 0-60 mph. Will never be as fast as a new M3, but then again the M3 would not be your ideal winter vehicle in Montreal.

#10 of 31 0-60 time / price... by coolsly2

Nov 04, 2002 (7:21 pm)

For the 0-60 or 0-62 times, it would change maybe something like 1/10 of a second that would still be shy of the 4.7 BMW claim for the M3. Something near 5.0-5.1 would have been great. Anyway, for sure it won't be a M3. It will be a S4.
 
My main concern now is the price tag that will come with the S4.
 
Sylvain

#11 of 31 0-60 times by cross6

Nov 07, 2002 (9:17 am)

These times don't really matter much to the euro sport sedan crowd now do they? And what is the difference between an M3 driven by an expert driver and any other car driven by a similar expert? Mere fractions of seconds. A better question is can the car take this beating of wide open throttle driving? German sport sedan's again have a good history except lately the Audi S4 has been known to blow turbo's if not cared for properly. And if one visits the BMW bimmer.org forum in the M3 section you will no doubt understand the frustration of owning the S54 engine or should I say paranoia? Lately these engines have had catastrophic failure at an alarming rate, worse than Audi's turbo failures. What is my point you ask? Well, when you plop down 50K on a state of the sport sedan it should not blow up if driven spiritedly. So I would hope going forward that BMW and Audi build the car to go the speed rather than build for the speed alone. So far I love my Audi S4 and look forward to reviewing the next generation S4 and possibly own it. But when I stir 344 horses with my six speed I want to be confident that it can take the abuse. Build them better Audi and BMW and stop making the consumer your research and development team.

#12 of 31 Price by tausc82

Nov 07, 2002 (11:25 am)

I spoke with an Audi salesman who ststed the price of the new S4-V8 will be $3-4K below that of the M3. Assuming that to be true the cost will be around $50K for a S4.
 
Is this vehicle being sold in Europe and if so what's the price tag there?

#13 of 31 I don't think we can make any conclusions until we see the car here by poondogger

Nov 09, 2002 (4:29 pm)

I think that the old comparison of the S4 to the M3 came from when the M3 had 4 drs back in its E36 days. I think that comparing the old B5's and the E36 M3 4-drs was appropriate because they had around the same mfg rated hp (255 vs 240 respectively) and any hp above the M3 was offset by the weight difference. However now, in terms of the E46 and the B6 comparison, i don't believe it is appropriate. I think that the new M3 will beat a new S4, especially with a more advanced Transmission system in the M3. But then again, I think all of our opinions are speculation at this point until we can actually compare the new S4 to any car in person or until we read a review by edmunds, car and driver...etc. Its true that the RS6 and the M5 are more comparable, however its believed that the RS6 will demolish the M5 despite its Automatic Transmission. My question for all of you: Is the Engine in the New S4 the same as the one in the RS6. They are both V8's, however I know that the S4 doesn't come with the Bi-Turbo. If you could put that on the new S4, considering the weight and the availability of the 6-speed Tranny...I think that the new S4 would be potentially a 0-60 & Quarter Mile monster. However, we won't know until later. As for me and any of my dreams of getting an S4, M3, or anything nice...I'll take any of these cars any day. I'd love the S4's (B5's or B6's) for a year round car and I'd love an M3 to tear people apart during those summer drives down Highway 1 *(For those of you from California, you know). Hey, if I were a Ricey Teenager, I'd probably still want an Impreza WRX STI which comes out soon. Anyway, I thought i'd add my 2 cents. Thanks for reading.

#14 of 31 by merc1

Nov 11, 2002 (11:02 pm)

Automobile Mag has a comparo (Dec issue) in which they contend the M5 is still the king. The RS6 is unbelievably fast though. I mean 4.3 secs to 60 and something like 10.5 secs to 100 mph! In that respect it does kill the M5.
 
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#15 of 31 What about an S4 coupe? by daman82

Nov 30, 2002 (7:00 pm)

Does anyone know if Audi is thinking of putting the S4 in coupe form when the A4 coupe debuts?

#16 of 31 Recent Visit to an Audi Dealer by tausc82

Dec 26, 2002 (9:12 am)

I recently visited an Audi dealer in PA to test drive an A4 3.0 to get a feel for the vehicle, knowing I seek the new S4. The salesman, who has 30 years with Audi, stated the S4 will come in around $43K. Sounds like a deal to me.

#17 of 31 Deal? by nedmitchell

Jan 08, 2003 (8:04 pm)

I think I'll have to agree with "poondogger" on this one. If you're looking for a good deal look no further than the STi. Around 30K you get something I believe will be as fast as this new audi and definitely less cumbersome. Look to the STi discussion for a report on it.

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